Your Right to Drive
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From: Larry on 1 Mar 2007 23:54 In article <1172810716.139304.279620(a)8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>, "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > On Mar 1, 9:31 pm, "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > It should be noted that certain posters are attempting to obfuscate > this thread with numerous postings not addressing my arguments. > Already, in only a half an hour, this thread has 20 some posts, and > only ONE of those posts actually even pretends to debate the issue. You're right. One post *pretends* to debate. Yours! > Obviously, this issue must cause certain posters great discomfort. Your lies and the chance that someone will believe them does cause me discomfort. > Possibly, they should just avoid the thread, unless their purpose is > to obfuscate the issue. Possibly, or possibly not.
From: proffsl on 2 Mar 2007 00:18 "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > > > It should be noted that certain posters are attempting to > > obfuscate this thread with numerous postings not addressing > > my arguments. Already, in only a half an hour, this thread > > has 20 some posts, and only ONE of those posts actually > > even pretends to debate the issue. > > > Obviously, this issue must cause certain posters great > > discomfort. Possibly, they should just avoid the thread, > > unless their purpose is to obfuscate the issue. > > Proffsl, last year your same arguments were beaten to pieces > in hundreds of posts that showed the fallacy of your arguments. My arguments were heckled by certain posters, yourself included, and my arguments based on law were confounded due to the contradictory nature of the law, and I was personally attacked for making my arguments, and I was lied against for making my arguments, and the thread was totally obfuscated (as is happening now) by certain posters, but my arguments were never beaten, especially by so called self proclaimed judges. My arguments here do not rely on contradictory laws, and are based entirely on logic. Now, either address them, or show yourself for someone who only seeks to obfuscate the issue. > Your coming here after that, with the same arguments, > is nothing but trolling on your part. This is a personal insult. This does not address my arguments. > Go away. No. If my Right to Speech disturbs you, put on your blinders, and YOU Go Away. Otherwise, address my arguments, or prove yourself as only a disrupter. Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. A Rightful Republic may only derive it's Rightful Powers via the Rightful Consent of the Citizens. If one does not have a Right to do something, they can not give others, or government, their Rightful Consent to do that thing. The individual has no authority to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the Rights of others. Therefore, they can not give a Rightful Republic their Rightful Consent to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the Rights of others. When individuals form a collective, they bring into existence certain behaviors that could not exist before, such as the behavior of representing the collective. Therefore, only the collective has the authority to give their Rightful Consent to such collective behaviors, where no individual of that collective has such authority. But, under no circumstances may the collective presume to bestow upon themselves, or upon their representatives, the privilege to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate any Rights of any innocent others. This is because Rightful Powers may only be derived by the Rightful Consent of the Citizens. No Citizen has the authority to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others, therefore they may not individually, or collectively, give their Rightful Consent bestowing upon their representatives the privilege to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others. It's just that simple. Nor shall the collective, or it's representatives, presume to convert individual behaviors into collective behaviors, as this is nothing more than a deceptive manner of attempting to convert Rightful individual behaviors into collective privileges. Neither the collective, nor it's representatives, may presume to convert a Right into a privilege. Driving safely is not a collective behavior that only comes into existence upon the forming of a collective. Driving safely is an individual behavior. Therefore, the collective, or it's representatives, may not presume to convert driving safely into a collective behavior. Therefore, driving safely can only be one of two remaining types of behaviors. Driving safely is either a Rightful behavior, or a Wrongful behavior. Driving safely is a Wrongful behavior if it prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any others. Otherwise, it is a Rightful behavior. If driving safely is a Wrongful behavior, a behavior which prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of others, then everybody should be prohibited from the behavior of driving safely, and the collective may not presume to bestow upon any individual, or representative, the privilege of driving safely. Otherwise, if driving safely is a Rightful behavior, a behavior which DOES NOT prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any others, then no innocent individual should be prohibited from driving safely. And, no collective, or their representatives, may presume to convert this individual behavior of driving safely into a collective behavior, thereby presuming to convert a Right into a privilege. Driving safely is an individual behavior, not a collective behavior. Driving safely does not prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any others. Therefore, Driving safely is a Right. Our States ARE lying to us. Driving IS NOT a privilege. Driving IS a Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty, and we each have the Right to use our public highways for personal travel in the ordinary way. But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop.
From: proffsl on 2 Mar 2007 00:24 "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. > > > > Driving is a Right. Our public streets were built on our > > > > property with our money for the purpose of enhancing > > > > our Right of Liberty. But, the more our public highways > > > > are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > > > > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all > > > > prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > > > > > Proffsl, this is the same screed that you posted here almost > > > a year ago, and it was thoroughly and soundly refuted by a > > > number of different posters; > > > It was throughly and soundly DENIED by a number of different posters, > > and it may have even been CONFOUNDED by contradicting laws, but > > I am even more convinced that Driving is a Right this year than I was last > > year. > > No, Proffsl, you just kept posting the same refuted notions over and > over again, you didn't seem to learn anything from the discussions, > and you ignored the sound and intelligently formed refutations of your > tired and discredited arguments. Either respond to my points, or put on your blinders and go away, or prove yourself to be a disrupter. > You continually unleashed massive amounts of personal > abuse on the posters who were refuting your arguments. Here you prove yourself to be a Liar. It was those certain other posters who initiated the massive amounts of personal insults and abuse, yourself included. Now, either respond to my points, or put on your blinders and go away, or prove yourself to be the disrupter you apparently are. --------------- Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. A Rightful Republic may only derive it's Rightful Powers via the Rightful Consent of the Citizens. If one does not have a Right to do something, they can not give others, or government, their Rightful Consent to do that thing. The individual has no authority to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the Rights of others. Therefore, they can not give a Rightful Republic their Rightful Consent to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the Rights of others. When individuals form a collective, they bring into existence certain behaviors that could not exist before, such as the behavior of representing the collective. Therefore, only the collective has the authority to give their Rightful Consent to such collective behaviors, where no individual of that collective has such authority. But, under no circumstances may the collective presume to bestow upon themselves, or upon their representatives, the privilege to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate any Rights of any innocent others. This is because Rightful Powers may only be derived by the Rightful Consent of the Citizens. No Citizen has the authority to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others, therefore they may not individually, or collectively, give their Rightful Consent bestowing upon their representatives the privilege to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others. It's just that simple. Nor shall the collective, or it's representatives, presume to convert individual behaviors into collective behaviors, as this is nothing more than a deceptive manner of attempting to convert Rightful individual behaviors into collective privileges. Neither the collective, nor it's representatives, may presume to convert a Right into a privilege. Driving safely is not a collective behavior that only comes into existence upon the forming of a collective. Driving safely is an individual behavior. Therefore, the collective, or it's representatives, may not presume to convert driving safely into a collective behavior. Therefore, driving safely can only be one of two remaining types of behaviors. Driving safely is either a Rightful behavior, or a Wrongful behavior. Driving safely is a Wrongful behavior if it prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any others. Otherwise, it is a Rightful behavior. If driving safely is a Wrongful behavior, a behavior which prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of others, then everybody should be prohibited from the behavior of driving safely, and the collective may not presume to bestow upon any individual, or representative, the privilege of driving safely. Otherwise, if driving safely is a Rightful behavior, a behavior which DOES NOT prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any others, then no innocent individual should be prohibited from driving safely. And, no collective, or their representatives, may presume to convert this individual behavior of driving safely into a collective behavior, thereby presuming to convert a Right into a privilege. Driving safely is an individual behavior, not a collective behavior. Driving safely does not prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any others. Therefore, Driving safely is a Right. Our States ARE lying to us. Driving IS NOT a privilege. Driving IS a Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty, and we each have the Right to use our public highways for personal travel in the ordinary way. But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop.
From: Larry on 2 Mar 2007 00:25 In article <1172812732.520658.142680(a)n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It should be noted that certain posters are attempting to > > > obfuscate this thread with numerous postings not addressing > > > my arguments. Already, in only a half an hour, this thread > > > has 20 some posts, and only ONE of those posts actually > > > even pretends to debate the issue. > > > > > Obviously, this issue must cause certain posters great > > > discomfort. Possibly, they should just avoid the thread, > > > unless their purpose is to obfuscate the issue. > > > > Proffsl, last year your same arguments were beaten to pieces > > in hundreds of posts that showed the fallacy of your arguments. > > My arguments were heckled by certain posters, Yes, they were. They were also *resoundingly* defeated on the merits.
From: Jason Pawloski on 2 Mar 2007 00:29
On Mar 1, 8:31 pm, "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a > Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money > for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our > public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of > privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > A Rightful Republic may only derive it's Rightful Powers via the > Rightful Consent of the Citizens. If one does not have a Right to do > something, they can not give others, or government, their Rightful > Consent to do that thing. The individual has no authority to prohibit, > deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the > Rights of others. Therefore, they can not give a Rightful Republic > their Rightful Consent to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing > things which do not violate the Rights of others. > > When individuals form a collective, they bring into existence certain > behaviors that could not exist before, such as the behavior of > representing the collective. Therefore, only the collective has the > authority to give their Rightful Consent to such collective behaviors, > where no individual of that collective has such authority. But, under > no circumstances may the collective presume to bestow upon themselves, > or upon their representatives, the privilege to prohibit, deny, > obstruct, endanger or violate any Rights of any innocent others. > > This is because Rightful Powers may only be derived by the Rightful > Consent of the Citizens. No Citizen has the authority to prohibit, > deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others, > therefore they may not individually, or collectively, give their > Rightful Consent bestowing upon their representatives the privilege to > prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any > innocent others. It's just that simple. > > Nor shall the collective, or it's representatives, presume to convert > individual behaviors into collective behaviors, as this is nothing > more than a deceptive manner of attempting to convert Rightful > individual behaviors into collective privileges. Neither the > collective, nor it's representatives, may presume to convert a Right > into a privilege. > > Driving safely is not a collective behavior that only comes into > existence upon the forming of a collective. Driving safely is an > individual behavior. Therefore, the collective, or it's > representatives, may not presume to convert driving safely into a > collective behavior. > > Therefore, driving safely can only be one of two remaining types of > behaviors. Driving safely is either a Rightful behavior, or a > Wrongful behavior. Driving safely is a Wrongful behavior if it > prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any > others. Otherwise, it is a Rightful behavior. > > If driving safely is a Wrongful behavior, a behavior which prohibits, > denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of others, then > everybody should be prohibited from the behavior of driving safely, > and the collective may not presume to bestow upon any individual, or > representative, the privilege of driving safely. > > Otherwise, if driving safely is a Rightful behavior, a behavior which > DOES NOT prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of > any others, then no innocent individual should be prohibited from > driving safely. And, no collective, or their representatives, may > presume to convert this individual behavior of driving safely into a > collective behavior, thereby presuming to convert a Right into a > privilege. > > Driving safely is an individual behavior, not a collective behavior. > Driving safely does not prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate > the Rights of any others. Therefore, Driving safely is a Right. > > Our States ARE lying to us. Driving IS NOT a privilege. Driving IS a > Right. > > Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the > purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty, and we each have the Right > to use our public highways for personal travel in the ordinary way. > > "The streets belong to the public and are primarily for the use of the > public in the ordinary way." -- Packard v. Banton, 264 U.S. 140 (1924) > -http://laws.findlaw.com/us/264/140.html#144 > > But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but > the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us > all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. Who has the over/under for the number of posts this time around? I'm going to guess 560. |