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From: proffsl on 2 Mar 2007 00:34 "Jason Pawloski" <jpawlo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a > > Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money > > for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our > > public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of > > privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > > A Rightful Republic may only derive it's Rightful Powers via the > > Rightful Consent of the Citizens. If one does not have a Right to do > > something, they can not give others, or government, their Rightful > > Consent to do that thing. The individual has no authority to prohibit, > > deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the > > Rights of others. Therefore, they can not give a Rightful Republic > > their Rightful Consent to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing > > things which do not violate the Rights of others. > > > When individuals form a collective, they bring into existence certain > > behaviors that could not exist before, such as the behavior of > > representing the collective. Therefore, only the collective has the > > authority to give their Rightful Consent to such collective behaviors, > > where no individual of that collective has such authority. But, under > > no circumstances may the collective presume to bestow upon themselves, > > or upon their representatives, the privilege to prohibit, deny, > > obstruct, endanger or violate any Rights of any innocent others. > > > This is because Rightful Powers may only be derived by the Rightful > > Consent of the Citizens. No Citizen has the authority to prohibit, > > deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others, > > therefore they may not individually, or collectively, give their > > Rightful Consent bestowing upon their representatives the privilege to > > prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any > > innocent others. It's just that simple. > > > Nor shall the collective, or it's representatives, presume to convert > > individual behaviors into collective behaviors, as this is nothing > > more than a deceptive manner of attempting to convert Rightful > > individual behaviors into collective privileges. Neither the > > collective, nor it's representatives, may presume to convert a Right > > into a privilege. > > > Driving safely is not a collective behavior that only comes into > > existence upon the forming of a collective. Driving safely is an > > individual behavior. Therefore, the collective, or it's > > representatives, may not presume to convert driving safely into a > > collective behavior. > > > Therefore, driving safely can only be one of two remaining types of > > behaviors. Driving safely is either a Rightful behavior, or a > > Wrongful behavior. Driving safely is a Wrongful behavior if it > > prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any > > others. Otherwise, it is a Rightful behavior. > > > If driving safely is a Wrongful behavior, a behavior which prohibits, > > denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of others, then > > everybody should be prohibited from the behavior of driving safely, > > and the collective may not presume to bestow upon any individual, or > > representative, the privilege of driving safely. > > > Otherwise, if driving safely is a Rightful behavior, a behavior which > > DOES NOT prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of > > any others, then no innocent individual should be prohibited from > > driving safely. And, no collective, or their representatives, may > > presume to convert this individual behavior of driving safely into a > > collective behavior, thereby presuming to convert a Right into a > > privilege. > > > Driving safely is an individual behavior, not a collective behavior. > > Driving safely does not prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate > > the Rights of any others. Therefore, Driving safely is a Right. > > > Our States ARE lying to us. Driving IS NOT a privilege. Driving IS a > > Right. > > > Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the > > purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty, and we each have the Right > > to use our public highways for personal travel in the ordinary way. > > > "The streets belong to the public and are primarily for the use of the > > public in the ordinary way." -- Packard v. Banton, 264 U.S. 140 (1924) > > -http://laws.findlaw.com/us/264/140.html#144 > > > But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but > > the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us > > all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > Who has the over/under for the number of posts this time around? I'm > going to guess 560 Either respond to the points, or put on your blinders and go away without adding to the 560 heckels you are betting on, or prove yourself to be a disrupter.
From: Larry on 2 Mar 2007 00:38 In article <1172813676.896114.66740(a)v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > "Jason Pawloski" <jpawlo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Who has the over/under for the number of posts this time around? I'm > > going to guess 560 > > Either respond to the points, or put on your blinders and go away > without adding to the 560 heckels you are betting on, or prove > yourself to be a disrupter. Proffy, you hypocrite. You always whine whenever someone gives you a command such as "go away!" yet you don't seem to have any qualms about issuing such commands to others. You're a two-faced liar with no credibility whatsoever.
From: proffsl on 2 Mar 2007 00:47 Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. A Rightful Republic may only derive it's Rightful Powers via the Rightful Consent of the Citizens. If one does not have a Right to do something, they can not give others, or government, their Rightful Consent to do that thing. The individual has no authority to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the Rights of others. Therefore, they can not give a Rightful Republic their Rightful Consent to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the Rights of others. When individuals form a collective, they bring into existence certain behaviors that could not exist before, such as the behavior of representing the collective. Therefore, only the collective has the authority to give their Rightful Consent to such collective behaviors, where no individual of that collective has such authority. But, under no circumstances may the collective presume to bestow upon themselves, or upon their representatives, the privilege to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate any Rights of any innocent others. This is because Rightful Powers may only be derived by the Rightful Consent of the Citizens. No Citizen has the authority to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others, therefore they may not individually, or collectively, give their Rightful Consent bestowing upon their representatives the privilege to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others. It's just that simple. Nor shall the collective, or it's representatives, presume to convert individual behaviors into collective behaviors, as this is nothing more than a deceptive manner of attempting to convert Rightful individual behaviors into collective privileges. Neither the collective, nor it's representatives, may presume to convert a Right into a privilege. Driving safely is not a collective behavior that only comes into existence upon the forming of a collective. Driving safely is an individual behavior. Therefore, the collective, or it's representatives, may not presume to convert driving safely into a collective behavior. Therefore, driving safely can only be one of two remaining types of behaviors. Driving safely is either a Rightful behavior, or a Wrongful behavior. Driving safely is a Wrongful behavior if it prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any others. Otherwise, it is a Rightful behavior. If driving safely is a Wrongful behavior, a behavior which prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of others, then everybody should be prohibited from the behavior of driving safely, and the collective may not presume to bestow upon any individual, or representative, the privilege of driving safely. Otherwise, if driving safely is a Rightful behavior, a behavior which DOES NOT prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any others, then no innocent individual should be prohibited from driving safely. And, no collective, or their representatives, may presume to convert this individual behavior of driving safely into a collective behavior, thereby presuming to convert a Right into a privilege. Driving safely is an individual behavior, not a collective behavior. Driving safely does not prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any others. Therefore, Driving safely is a Right. Our States ARE lying to us. Driving IS NOT a privilege. Driving IS a Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty, and we each have the Right to use our public highways for personal travel in the ordinary way. But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop.
From: Brent P on 2 Mar 2007 00:57 In article <x-A91810.22334201032007(a)news.west.earthlink.net>, Larry wrote: >> Driving is not a privilege. > Yes it is. No it's not. We are seeing the problems with it being considered as such with the government tying all sorts of things to it that have nothing to do with driving. From federal ID requirements to child support payments. You cannot have the common form of transport a government granted privilege in a free nation without this danger. >> Driving is a Right. > No it isn't. Closer to a 'right' (assuming what is meant in those enumerated in the constitution) than a priviledge.
From: necromancer on 2 Mar 2007 03:50
On Mar 1, 10:31 pm, "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> ECP'ed: << ECP removed >> > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a > Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money > for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our > public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of > privilege behind bars of blacktop. You mind telling me where in the CONSTITUTION this right to drive is???? -- "I bought a cheap watch from the crazy man floating down Canal. It doesn't use numbers or moving hands, it always just says 'now.' Now you might be thinking that I was had. But this watch is never wrong And if I have trouble, the warranty said: Breathe in, breathe out, move on." --Jimmy Buffett |