From: proffsl on 1 Mar 2007 22:31 Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. A Rightful Republic may only derive it's Rightful Powers via the Rightful Consent of the Citizens. If one does not have a Right to do something, they can not give others, or government, their Rightful Consent to do that thing. The individual has no authority to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the Rights of others. Therefore, they can not give a Rightful Republic their Rightful Consent to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the Rights of others. When individuals form a collective, they bring into existence certain behaviors that could not exist before, such as the behavior of representing the collective. Therefore, only the collective has the authority to give their Rightful Consent to such collective behaviors, where no individual of that collective has such authority. But, under no circumstances may the collective presume to bestow upon themselves, or upon their representatives, the privilege to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate any Rights of any innocent others. This is because Rightful Powers may only be derived by the Rightful Consent of the Citizens. No Citizen has the authority to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others, therefore they may not individually, or collectively, give their Rightful Consent bestowing upon their representatives the privilege to prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others. It's just that simple. Nor shall the collective, or it's representatives, presume to convert individual behaviors into collective behaviors, as this is nothing more than a deceptive manner of attempting to convert Rightful individual behaviors into collective privileges. Neither the collective, nor it's representatives, may presume to convert a Right into a privilege. Driving safely is not a collective behavior that only comes into existence upon the forming of a collective. Driving safely is an individual behavior. Therefore, the collective, or it's representatives, may not presume to convert driving safely into a collective behavior. Therefore, driving safely can only be one of two remaining types of behaviors. Driving safely is either a Rightful behavior, or a Wrongful behavior. Driving safely is a Wrongful behavior if it prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any others. Otherwise, it is a Rightful behavior. If driving safely is a Wrongful behavior, a behavior which prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of others, then everybody should be prohibited from the behavior of driving safely, and the collective may not presume to bestow upon any individual, or representative, the privilege of driving safely. Otherwise, if driving safely is a Rightful behavior, a behavior which DOES NOT prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any others, then no innocent individual should be prohibited from driving safely. And, no collective, or their representatives, may presume to convert this individual behavior of driving safely into a collective behavior, thereby presuming to convert a Right into a privilege. Driving safely is an individual behavior, not a collective behavior. Driving safely does not prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any others. Therefore, Driving safely is a Right. Our States ARE lying to us. Driving IS NOT a privilege. Driving IS a Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty, and we each have the Right to use our public highways for personal travel in the ordinary way. "The streets belong to the public and are primarily for the use of the public in the ordinary way." -- Packard v. Banton, 264 U.S. 140 (1924) - http://laws.findlaw.com/us/264/140.html#144 But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop.
From: Larry on 1 Mar 2007 22:33 In article <1172806269.072397.151900(a)v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > Our States are lying to us. Not this again. The only liar around here is you, proffy. > Driving is not a privilege. Yes it is. > Driving is a > Right. No it isn't.
From: Scott M. Kozel on 1 Mar 2007 22:42 "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a > Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money > for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our > public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of > privilege behind bars of blacktop. Proffsl, this is the same screed that you posted here almost a year ago, and it was thoroughly and soundly refuted by a number of different posters; and when you started losing the debate badly, you began unleashing massive amounts of personal abuse on the posters who were refuting your arguments. You lost the argument, utterly and completely. Accept it and move on. -- Scott M. Kozel Highway and Transportation History Websites Virginia/Maryland/Washington, D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com
From: Larry on 1 Mar 2007 23:01 In article <45E79D28.F0E65BD7(a)comcast.net>, "Scott M. Kozel" <kozelsm(a)comcast.net> wrote: > "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a > > Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money > > for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our > > public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of > > privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > Proffsl, this is the same screed that you posted here almost a year ago, > and it was thoroughly and soundly refuted by a number of different > posters; and when you started losing the debate badly, you began > unleashing massive amounts of personal abuse on the posters who were > refuting your arguments. > > You lost the argument, utterly and completely. Accept it and move on. He also completely fabricated a court decision, Scott. Don't forget that doozy!
From: k_flynn on 1 Mar 2007 23:16
On Mar 1, 8:31 pm, "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a > Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money > for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our > public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of > privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > A Rightful Republic may only derive it's Rightful Powers via the > Rightful Consent of the Citizens. If one does not have a Right to do > something, they can not give others, or government, their Rightful > Consent to do that thing. The individual has no authority to prohibit, > deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the > Rights of others. Therefore, they can not give a Rightful Republic > their Rightful Consent to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing > things which do not violate the Rights of others. > > When individuals form a collective, they bring into existence certain > behaviors that could not exist before, such as the behavior of > representing the collective. Therefore, only the collective has the > authority to give their Rightful Consent to such collective behaviors, > where no individual of that collective has such authority. But, under > no circumstances may the collective presume to bestow upon themselves, > or upon their representatives, the privilege to prohibit, deny, > obstruct, endanger or violate any Rights of any innocent others. > > This is because Rightful Powers may only be derived by the Rightful > Consent of the Citizens. No Citizen has the authority to prohibit, > deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others, > therefore they may not individually, or collectively, give their > Rightful Consent bestowing upon their representatives the privilege to > prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any > innocent others. It's just that simple. > > Nor shall the collective, or it's representatives, presume to convert > individual behaviors into collective behaviors, as this is nothing > more than a deceptive manner of attempting to convert Rightful > individual behaviors into collective privileges. Neither the > collective, nor it's representatives, may presume to convert a Right > into a privilege. > > Driving safely is not a collective behavior that only comes into > existence upon the forming of a collective. Driving safely is an > individual behavior. Therefore, the collective, or it's > representatives, may not presume to convert driving safely into a > collective behavior. > > Therefore, driving safely can only be one of two remaining types of > behaviors. Driving safely is either a Rightful behavior, or a > Wrongful behavior. Driving safely is a Wrongful behavior if it > prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any > others. Otherwise, it is a Rightful behavior. > > If driving safely is a Wrongful behavior, a behavior which prohibits, > denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of others, then > everybody should be prohibited from the behavior of driving safely, > and the collective may not presume to bestow upon any individual, or > representative, the privilege of driving safely. > > Otherwise, if driving safely is a Rightful behavior, a behavior which > DOES NOT prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of > any others, then no innocent individual should be prohibited from > driving safely. And, no collective, or their representatives, may > presume to convert this individual behavior of driving safely into a > collective behavior, thereby presuming to convert a Right into a > privilege. > > Driving safely is an individual behavior, not a collective behavior. > Driving safely does not prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate > the Rights of any others. Therefore, Driving safely is a Right. > > Our States ARE lying to us. Driving IS NOT a privilege. Driving IS a > Right. > > Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the > purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty, and we each have the Right > to use our public highways for personal travel in the ordinary way. > > "The streets belong to the public and are primarily for the use of the > public in the ordinary way." -- Packard v. Banton, 264 U.S. 140 (1924) > -http://laws.findlaw.com/us/264/140.html#144 > > But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but > the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us > all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. Proffy, Could you just fast-forward to the part where you make up and fabricate court case quotes so we can make your defeat short? Thanks! The sooner you are defeated, the quicker you can get back to your bong and dream of killing cops! |