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From: Doug on 8 Jul 2010 07:33 On 8 July, 07:18, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Doug <smi...(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > > > You should see me zooming past traffic jams. > > Really? And should a pedestrian step out from between two stationary > vehicles...? > > > For longer distances I put my bike on an electric train. So all of my > > transportation is electric now. No nasty, smelly, polluting, energy > > wasting ICEs. > > Where's your electricity come from, Duhg? > > Are you on a "green" tariff yet? > No I don't like greenwash, Adrain. Electricity is more efficient and less polluting than the individual ICEs used in cars. You must surely be aware of that by now? -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".
From: Doug on 8 Jul 2010 07:38 On 8 July, 07:36, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: > > > I find the places I like to go are not served well by trains. > > You're clearly going to the wrong places, then... > Its strange how many motorists seem to find and use the most inconvenient places to live and work. Maybe its because they can? Though what the point of doing it is eludes me. Maybe though, shut away in solitary isolation in their cars, they get to find the close presence of other people unpleasant and so seek to avoid it as much as they can. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net "The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".
From: Doug on 8 Jul 2010 07:41 On 8 July, 08:14, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > news:e8634e1b-6ddf-4d51-93fe-8374d7fbe023(a)g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 7 July, 17:50, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >>news:3ce01a3d-4e76-422a-a638-a8b391b0a62b(a)i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... > > >> > On 7 July, 10:46, "Man at B&Q" <manatba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Jul 7, 8:27 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >> >> >news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >> >> > >>news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet > >> >> > >> >> they > >> >> > >> >> also > >> >> > >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by > >> >> > >> >> this > >> >> > >> >> report, > >> >> > >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive > >> >> > >> >> increase > >> >> > >> >> in > >> >> > >> >> the > >> >> > >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be > >> >> > >> >> needed > >> >> > >> >> in > >> >> > >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of > >> >> > >> >> replacement. > > >> >> > >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... > > >> >> > >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty > >> >> > >> >> of > >> >> > >> >> up > >> >> > >> >> to > >> >> > >> >> 10p > >> >> > >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which > >> >> > >> >> will > >> >> > >> >> be > >> >> > >> >> created > >> >> > >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. > > >> >> > >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million > >> >> > >> >> electric > >> >> > >> >> cars > >> >> > >> >> should > >> >> > >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. > > >> >> > >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power > >> >> > >> >> stations; > >> >> > >> >> or, > >> >> > >> >> carry on as we are? > > >> >> > >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too > >> >> > >> > many > >> >> > >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and > >> >> > >> > bad > >> >> > >> > for > >> >> > >> > less fortunate people. > > >> >> > >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. > > >> >> > >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? > > >> >> > > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am > >> >> > > still > >> >> > > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought > >> >> > > an > >> >> > > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for > >> >> > > obvious reasons. > > >> >> > You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you > >> >> > needed > >> >> > an > >> >> > electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and > >> >> > thus > >> >> > contributes to the need for more power stations? > > >> >> And what aboput the environmental impact of producing and disposing of > >> >> the batteries? > > >> > Probably no worse than a car battery or even better due to difference > >> > in size and weight. BTW, Lithium from the batteries can be reclaimed. > > >> But if people didn't insist on buying such frivolous items such as > >> battery > >> powered bicycles then the question of disposal doesn't arise does it > >> Doug? > > >> There is also the question of the effect on the people and localities > >> from > >> where the ore is mined. Do you have any idea of the devastation being > >> caused > >> in those places Doug and that they are already running out and > >> alternative > >> sites will have to be found? > > > You are obviously ill informed, as usual. > > > "...The largest reserve base of lithium is in the Salar de Uyuni area > > of Bolivia, which has 5.4 million tons. US Geological Survey, > > estimates of the production and reserves of lithium in metric tons by > > country are in the table. [29][39] > > > Contrary to the USGS data in the table, other estimates put Chile's > > reserve base at 7,520,000 metric tons of lithium, and Argentina's at > > 6,000,000 metric tons.[40]. > > > On June 13, 2010, the New York Times reported that "Just this month, > > American geologists working with the Pentagon team have been > > conducting ground surveys on dry salt lakes in western Afghanistan > > where they believe there are large deposits of lithium..." > > > That could explain a lot! > > As I said, it's running out and new deposits are being found, just as with > petroleum. > Its not running out it is just that demand has increased. > > >> How can you claim to be eco friendly when you buy such an unnecessary > >> item? > > > Because I am using an electric bike instead of a car. You of course, > > as a car user by choice, are definitely eco unfriendly. > > Both the manufacture of and use of electric bikes causes pollution, just as > cars do. As pointed out previously, you are no more eco-friendly than anyone > else Doug. > Nope. You car is responsible for very much more pollution than my bike, both in use and during manufacture. Why don't you just give up and put a stop to this blatant hypocrisy of yours? Doug.
From: Adrian on 8 Jul 2010 07:44 Doug <smithx(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Its not running out it is just that demand has increased. Exponentially. With further massive ramps in demand to occur. >> >> How can you claim to be eco friendly when you buy such an >> >> unnecessary item? >> > Because I am using an electric bike instead of a car. You of course, >> > as a car user by choice, are definitely eco unfriendly. >> Both the manufacture of and use of electric bikes causes pollution, >> just as cars do. As pointed out previously, you are no more >> eco-friendly than anyone else Doug. > Nope. You car is responsible for very much more pollution than my bike, > both in use and during manufacture. Why don't you just give up and put a > stop to this blatant hypocrisy of yours? One of these days, you'll understand that concept. Until that point, is there any chance you could stop wibbling on and embarrassing yourself?
From: Doug on 8 Jul 2010 07:46
On 8 July, 09:48, Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On 8 Jul 2010 06:36:28 GMT, Adrian wrote: > > >> I find the places I like to go are not served well by trains. > > > You're clearly going to the wrong places, then... > > I'm going to the right places for me, I have had many "discussions" with > anti car fanatics to the effect that the problem isn't that cars are better > at getting me to a place only I want to go to with my chosen luggage > (surfboard, fishing tackle, rotovator, camera and tripod or whatever) but > rather that I shouldn't want to go there at such inconvenient to PT times - > or to such out of the way places - or that I shouldn't be wanting to take > such stuff at all. > Cycling is OK if your life is the inner city. > Its chicken and egg. You only choose to take all that stuff BECAUSE you have a car. Had you adopted a car-free lifestyle some time ago no doubt your interests would be very different. -- . World Carfree Network http://www.worldcarfree.net/ Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K. |