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From: Adrian on 8 Jul 2010 07:50 Doug <smithx(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> I'm going to the right places for me, I have had many "discussions" >> with anti car fanatics to the effect that the problem isn't that cars >> are better at getting me to a place only I want to go to with my chosen >> luggage (surfboard, fishing tackle, rotovator, camera and tripod or >> whatever) but rather that I shouldn't want to go there at such >> inconvenient to PT times - or to such out of the way places - or that I >> shouldn't be wanting to take such stuff at all. >> Cycling is OK if your life is the inner city. > Its chicken and egg. You only choose to take all that stuff BECAUSE you > have a car. Had you adopted a car-free lifestyle some time ago no doubt > your interests would be very different. What was that "F" word used somewhere up there? No, not "Fishing". The other one.
From: bugbear on 8 Jul 2010 08:03 Doug wrote: > On 8 July, 09:48, Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: >> On 8 Jul 2010 06:36:28 GMT, Adrian wrote: >> >>>> I find the places I like to go are not served well by trains. >>> You're clearly going to the wrong places, then... >> I'm going to the right places for me, I have had many "discussions" with >> anti car fanatics to the effect that the problem isn't that cars are better >> at getting me to a place only I want to go to with my chosen luggage >> (surfboard, fishing tackle, rotovator, camera and tripod or whatever) but >> rather that I shouldn't want to go there at such inconvenient to PT times - >> or to such out of the way places - or that I shouldn't be wanting to take >> such stuff at all. >> Cycling is OK if your life is the inner city. >> > Its chicken and egg. You only choose to take all that stuff BECAUSE > you have a car. Agreed. Cars can facilitate a wide range of enjoyable activities. I'm surprised to hear you make this point, since you're normally anti car. BugBear
From: Adrian on 8 Jul 2010 08:09 "Mike P" <privacy(a)privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> Its strange how many motorists seem to find and use the most >> inconvenient places to live and work. > I live 5 mins walk from a train station. Maybe it's because public > transport is overpriced and inconvenient too? From where we are, it's cheap and convenient. IF we want to go where it goes. Otherwise, it's a non-starter. There is a decent-sized supermarket easily available from the next station down the line now. But before that, shopping-by-train was a non- starter. ('course, it still is, unless you only want a bag or two of stuff). And this is in one of the VERY few bits of prime London outer-commuter- belt developed around the underground, so far better served than most places.
From: Ian Smith on 8 Jul 2010 08:19 On Thu, 8 Jul, Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 04:38:02 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: > > > Its strange how many motorists seem to find and use the most > > inconvenient places to live and work. Maybe its because they can? > > only inconvenient without a car. Its also not just about work, some > of have lives. The car gave us freedom, we are not interested in > losing it. The car gives you freedom to travel in a way that has not previously been possible, yes. Society (so far) allows you to have the freedom without recognition of the consequences. That may or may not change, of course. I am reminded of a dire 80s Eddie Murphy film where the lead character, having travelled from a beautiful, elysian, paradise somewhere gets to America and lauds the freedom to be an aresehole and smash glass in the street. Yes, the car lets you drive pretty much wherever and whenever you like. Doing so is not necessarily without severe cost, it's simply that you don't (and probably won't) pay the cost. regards, Ian SMith -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \|
From: Mike P on 8 Jul 2010 08:27
Adrian wrote: > "Mike P" <privacy(a)privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: > >>> Its strange how many motorists seem to find and use the most >>> inconvenient places to live and work. > >> I live 5 mins walk from a train station. Maybe it's because public >> transport is overpriced and inconvenient too? > > From where we are, it's cheap and convenient. IF we want to go where > it goes. Otherwise, it's a non-starter. The problem we have is the cost and inconvenience. If, for example we wanted to go and visit wifey's family on Sunday in Norwood as we sometimes do, it would cost us �15 each return on the train, take an hour just to Paddington, then have tubes and buses to get across London. It takes about 2h30m this way, and is a nightmare with a small child and a pram. Car? 1h15 mins tops , park on the driveway, less than a tenner return in fuel, even in the Activa. > There is a decent-sized supermarket easily available from the next > station down the line now. But before that, shopping-by-train was a > non- starter. ('course, it still is, unless you only want a bag or > two of stuff). This is what escapes the Green people. I want to do my shopping once a week. I've got better things to do. I can't do it all on a train or bicycle without a lot of hassle. I also will not have one of those ridiculous trailers on my bike, they're a bloody danger to other road users. > And this is in one of the VERY few bits of prime London > outer-commuter- belt developed around the underground, so far better > served than most places. Such a shame really, I would use PT if it went where I wanted to go, when I want to go. It doesn't though. -- Mike P |