From: PeterG on
On Jul 6, 7:08 pm, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they also
> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this
> >> report,
> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase in
> >> the
> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in
> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of
> >> replacement.
>
> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b....
>
> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up to
> >> 10p
> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be
> >> created
> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit.
>
> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars
> >> should
> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote.
>
> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; or,
> >> carry on as we are?
>
> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many
> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for
> > less fortunate people.
>
> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling.
>
> Why did you buy an electric bicycle?

Would that be the eZee Forza?
From: Colin McKenzie on
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:18:20 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote:

> Colin McKenzie wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:09:10 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man
>> <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Unless maybe if you
>>> take a train or boat, its the *milage* of travel that will kill the
>>> planet and flying tops that by a, er, mile.
>> Ships are energy-efficient for transporting freight, but not people.
>> This is because the ships are so heavy in relation to the number of
>> passengers - especially if you count the weight of the passengers'
>> cars, which are often on board too.
>
> As are trains.

Not nearly as.

500 ton train 600 passengers...
5000 ton ship about the same?

Colin McKenzie



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population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking.
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From: Doug on
On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they also
> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this
> >> report,
> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase in
> >> the
> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in
> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of
> >> replacement.
>
> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b...
>
> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up to
> >> 10p
> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be
> >> created
> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit.
>
> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars
> >> should
> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote.
>
> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; or,
> >> carry on as we are?
>
> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many
> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for
> > less fortunate people.
>
> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling.
>
> Why did you buy an electric bicycle?
>
Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still
banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an
electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for
obvious reasons.

BTW, I understand you are also disabled but use a car. Why not an
electric bike which has much less adverse impact on the environment
and public health?

Doug.
From: mileburner on
Doug wrote:
>>
>> Why did you buy an electric bicycle?
>>
> Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still
> banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an
> electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for
> obvious reasons.

Anyone who has a severe disability and who is unwilling to use the roads
ought to be looking at using a Mobilty Scooter for the pavement.

We seem to have had am increase in elderly, well meaning eco-cyclists who
whizz up and down pavements (and swap from road to pavement when it suits
them) causing annoyance (and a potential danger) to pedestrians and failing
to use the road in a proper manner acting as a nuisance to other road users.

By all means use an electic bike, just use it properly. That also means
getting off it at railway platforms <swoon>.



From: Doug on
On 7 July, 07:13, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>
> >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle?
>
> > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still
> > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an
> > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for
> > obvious reasons.
>
> Anyone who has a severe disability and who is unwilling to use the roads
> ought to be looking at using a Mobilty Scooter for the pavement.
>
The range and speed is too limited.
>
> We seem to have had am increase in elderly, well meaning eco-cyclists who
> whizz up and down pavements (and swap from road to pavement when it suits
> them) causing annoyance (and a potential danger) to pedestrians and failing
> to use the road in a proper manner acting as a nuisance to other road users.
>
8 mph mobility scooters are allowed on roads.
>
> By all means use an electic bike, just use it properly. That also means
> getting off it at railway platforms <swoon>.
>
Thank you very much. Have you seen how long railway platforms have
become recently?

What I need is a hybrid combining the range and speed of a bicycle
with the generous concessions allowed for electric wheelchair users.
Ironically, bicycles are much easier to put on trains than wheelchairs
though. Maybe an electric recumbent that folds into a wheelchair?

Doug
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