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From: PeterG on 6 Jul 2010 14:27 On Jul 6, 7:08 pm, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they also > >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this > >> report, > >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase in > >> the > >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in > >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of > >> replacement. > > >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b.... > > >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up to > >> 10p > >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be > >> created > >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. > > >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars > >> should > >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. > > >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; or, > >> carry on as we are? > > > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many > > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for > > less fortunate people. > > I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. > > Why did you buy an electric bicycle? Would that be the eZee Forza?
From: Colin McKenzie on 6 Jul 2010 19:34 On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:18:20 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > Colin McKenzie wrote: >> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:09:10 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man >> <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>> Unless maybe if you >>> take a train or boat, its the *milage* of travel that will kill the >>> planet and flying tops that by a, er, mile. >> Ships are energy-efficient for transporting freight, but not people. >> This is because the ships are so heavy in relation to the number of >> passengers - especially if you count the weight of the passengers' >> cars, which are often on board too. > > As are trains. Not nearly as. 500 ton train 600 passengers... 5000 ton ship about the same? Colin McKenzie -- No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking. Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.
From: Doug on 7 Jul 2010 01:59 On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they also > >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this > >> report, > >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase in > >> the > >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in > >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of > >> replacement. > > >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... > > >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up to > >> 10p > >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be > >> created > >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. > > >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars > >> should > >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. > > >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; or, > >> carry on as we are? > > > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many > > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for > > less fortunate people. > > I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. > > Why did you buy an electric bicycle? > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for obvious reasons. BTW, I understand you are also disabled but use a car. Why not an electric bike which has much less adverse impact on the environment and public health? Doug.
From: mileburner on 7 Jul 2010 02:13 Doug wrote: >> >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? >> > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for > obvious reasons. Anyone who has a severe disability and who is unwilling to use the roads ought to be looking at using a Mobilty Scooter for the pavement. We seem to have had am increase in elderly, well meaning eco-cyclists who whizz up and down pavements (and swap from road to pavement when it suits them) causing annoyance (and a potential danger) to pedestrians and failing to use the road in a proper manner acting as a nuisance to other road users. By all means use an electic bike, just use it properly. That also means getting off it at railway platforms <swoon>.
From: Doug on 7 Jul 2010 02:31
On 7 July, 07:13, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Doug wrote: > > >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? > > > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still > > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an > > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for > > obvious reasons. > > Anyone who has a severe disability and who is unwilling to use the roads > ought to be looking at using a Mobilty Scooter for the pavement. > The range and speed is too limited. > > We seem to have had am increase in elderly, well meaning eco-cyclists who > whizz up and down pavements (and swap from road to pavement when it suits > them) causing annoyance (and a potential danger) to pedestrians and failing > to use the road in a proper manner acting as a nuisance to other road users. > 8 mph mobility scooters are allowed on roads. > > By all means use an electic bike, just use it properly. That also means > getting off it at railway platforms <swoon>. > Thank you very much. Have you seen how long railway platforms have become recently? What I need is a hybrid combining the range and speed of a bicycle with the generous concessions allowed for electric wheelchair users. Ironically, bicycles are much easier to put on trains than wheelchairs though. Maybe an electric recumbent that folds into a wheelchair? Doug |