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From: Brimstone on 7 Jul 2010 03:27 "Doug" <smithx(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >> >> news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they >> >> also >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this >> >> report, >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase >> >> in >> >> the >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of >> >> replacement. >> >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... >> >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up >> >> to >> >> 10p >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be >> >> created >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. >> >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars >> >> should >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. >> >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; >> >> or, >> >> carry on as we are? >> >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for >> > less fortunate people. >> >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. >> >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? >> > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for > obvious reasons. You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you needed an electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and thus contributes to the need for more power stations? > BTW, I understand you are also disabled but use a car. Why not an > electric bike which has much less adverse impact on the environment > and public health? > No where to keep such a machine, as previously discussed.
From: Man at B&Q on 7 Jul 2010 05:32 On Jul 6, 12:53 pm, Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 04:19:46 -0700 (PDT), Man at B&Q wrote: > >> tell that to the leukemia clusters round sellafield > > > What should we tell the other leukemia clusters, that are not > > associated with nuclear power plants? > > ask them if they think we should ignore them. I don't think they want to be ignored. It was you who singled out the one around Sellafield. Do you have evidence of a proven link between Sellafiled and a Leukemia cluter? How do you explain the other Leukemia clusters that are not associated with a nuclear plant? MBQ
From: Man at B&Q on 7 Jul 2010 05:38 On Jul 6, 6:18 pm, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > Colin McKenzie wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:09:10 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man > > <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >> Unless maybe if you > >> take a train or boat, its the *milage* of travel that will kill the > >> planet and flying tops that by a, er, mile. > > > Ships are energy-efficient for transporting freight, but not people. > > This is because the ships are so heavy in relation to the number of > > passengers - especially if you count the weight of the passengers' cars, > > which are often on board too. > > As are trains. Planes are more efficient than trains for long journeys. Internal flights in the UK should be banned and money spent on fast rail lines. MBQ
From: Man at B&Q on 7 Jul 2010 05:46 On Jul 7, 8:27 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >>news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.... > > >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they > >> >> also > >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this > >> >> report, > >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase > >> >> in > >> >> the > >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in > >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of > >> >> replacement. > > >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... > > >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up > >> >> to > >> >> 10p > >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be > >> >> created > >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. > > >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars > >> >> should > >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. > > >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; > >> >> or, > >> >> carry on as we are? > > >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many > >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for > >> > less fortunate people. > > >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. > > >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? > > > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still > > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an > > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for > > obvious reasons. > > You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you needed an > electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and thus > contributes to the need for more power stations? And what aboput the environmental impact of producing and disposing of the batteries? MBQ
From: boltar2003 on 7 Jul 2010 06:20
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:35:20 +0100 Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >there may be more than one cause of leukemia, there may also be other >sources of low level radiation. The point is, however, that nuclear has >downsides. Its perfectly reasonable to be concerned about them. Even if there is a small causal link I think most normal people (note - this doesn't include foaming at the mouth eco-hippies) would agree that a small rise in cancers its a damn site preferable to uncontrolled global warming. B2003 |