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From: Brimstone on 7 Jul 2010 06:49 "Man at B&Q" <manatbandq(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:94a57e53-1d9f-4556-b109-38187b588f49(a)t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 7, 8:27 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >> >> news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they >> >> >> also >> >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this >> >> >> report, >> >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive >> >> >> increase >> >> >> in >> >> >> the >> >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed >> >> >> in >> >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of >> >> >> replacement. >> >> >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... >> >> >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of >> >> >> up >> >> >> to >> >> >> 10p >> >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be >> >> >> created >> >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. >> >> >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric >> >> >> cars >> >> >> should >> >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. >> >> >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power >> >> >> stations; >> >> >> or, >> >> >> carry on as we are? >> >> >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many >> >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for >> >> > less fortunate people. >> >> >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. >> >> >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? >> >> > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still >> > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an >> > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for >> > obvious reasons. >> >> You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you needed an >> electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and thus >> contributes to the need for more power stations? > > And what aboput the environmental impact of producing and disposing of > the batteries? > An important point not to be treated lightly.
From: tim.... on 7 Jul 2010 07:48 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:s3u0hf12dsqi$.1vyg9bfthx6m7$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 02:32:11 -0700 (PDT), Man at B&Q wrote: > >>> ask them if they think we should ignore them. >> >> I don't think they want to be ignored. > > I think they would say pay attention to all clusters > >>It was you who singled out the >> one around Sellafield. Do you have evidence of a proven link between >> Sellafiled and a Leukemia cluter? How do you explain the other >> Leukemia clusters that are not associated with a nuclear plant? > > there may be more than one cause of leukemia, there may also be other > sources of low level radiation. The point is, however, that nuclear has > downsides. Its perfectly reasonable to be concerned about them. Yep I doubt very much that most people are concerned about the day to day low level risk (even its cumulative effects). They are concerned about the possibility of there being a once-in-a-life-time catastrophic failure. (However small this risk, it is there) tim
From: Man at B&Q on 7 Jul 2010 09:23 On Jul 7, 10:57 am, Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 02:38:57 -0700 (PDT), Man at B&Q wrote: > >> As are trains. > > > Planes are more efficient than trains for long journeys. Internal > > flights in the UK should be banned and money spent on fast rail lines. > > I think you meant trains more efficient. I meant what I said.
From: Doug on 7 Jul 2010 12:16 On 7 July, 08:27, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >>news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they > >> >> also > >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this > >> >> report, > >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase > >> >> in > >> >> the > >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in > >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of > >> >> replacement. > > >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... > > >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up > >> >> to > >> >> 10p > >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be > >> >> created > >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. > > >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars > >> >> should > >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. > > >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; > >> >> or, > >> >> carry on as we are? > > >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many > >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for > >> > less fortunate people. > > >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. > > >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? > > > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still > > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an > > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for > > obvious reasons. > > You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you needed an > electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and thus > contributes to the need for more power stations? > So that I can get up hills. Any more personal qustions? At this rate you will know all about my life and I will know nothing about yours. Typical! > > > BTW, I understand you are also disabled but use a car. Why not an > > electric bike which has much less adverse impact on the environment > > and public health? > > No where to keep such a machine, as previously discussed. > You can store a bike almost anywhere, unlike a car. Doug.
From: Doug on 7 Jul 2010 12:20
On 7 July, 10:46, "Man at B&Q" <manatba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 7, 8:27 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com.... > > > > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > > >>news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they > > >> >> also > > >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this > > >> >> report, > > >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive increase > > >> >> in > > >> >> the > > >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed in > > >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of > > >> >> replacement. > > > >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... > > > >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of up > > >> >> to > > >> >> 10p > > >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be > > >> >> created > > >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. > > > >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric cars > > >> >> should > > >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. > > > >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power stations; > > >> >> or, > > >> >> carry on as we are? > > > >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many > > >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for > > >> > less fortunate people. > > > >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. > > > >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? > > > > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still > > > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an > > > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for > > > obvious reasons. > > > You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you needed an > > electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and thus > > contributes to the need for more power stations? > > And what aboput the environmental impact of producing and disposing of > the batteries? > Probably no worse than a car battery or even better due to difference in size and weight. BTW, Lithium from the batteries can be reclaimed. Doug. |