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From: Brimstone on 7 Jul 2010 12:50 "Doug" <smithx(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:3ce01a3d-4e76-422a-a638-a8b391b0a62b(a)i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... > On 7 July, 10:46, "Man at B&Q" <manatba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> On Jul 7, 8:27 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... >> >> > > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >> >> > >>news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> > >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet >> > >> >> they >> > >> >> also >> > >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by >> > >> >> this >> > >> >> report, >> > >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive >> > >> >> increase >> > >> >> in >> > >> >> the >> > >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed >> > >> >> in >> > >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of >> > >> >> replacement. >> >> > >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... >> >> > >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of >> > >> >> up >> > >> >> to >> > >> >> 10p >> > >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will >> > >> >> be >> > >> >> created >> > >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. >> >> > >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric >> > >> >> cars >> > >> >> should >> > >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. >> >> > >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power >> > >> >> stations; >> > >> >> or, >> > >> >> carry on as we are? >> >> > >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too >> > >> > many >> > >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad >> > >> > for >> > >> > less fortunate people. >> >> > >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. >> >> > >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? >> >> > > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still >> > > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an >> > > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for >> > > obvious reasons. >> >> > You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you needed >> > an >> > electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and >> > thus >> > contributes to the need for more power stations? >> >> And what aboput the environmental impact of producing and disposing of >> the batteries? >> > Probably no worse than a car battery or even better due to difference > in size and weight. BTW, Lithium from the batteries can be reclaimed. > But if people didn't insist on buying such frivolous items such as battery powered bicycles then the question of disposal doesn't arise does it Doug? There is also the question of the effect on the people and localities from where the ore is mined. Do you have any idea of the devastation being caused in those places Doug and that they are already running out and alternative sites will have to be found? How can you claim to be eco friendly when you buy such an unnecessary item?
From: Brimstone on 7 Jul 2010 12:52 "Doug" <smithx(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:9f4f2eb5-3d06-4178-b833-2a2fa449f6e5(a)a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On 7 July, 08:27, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >> >> news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they >> >> >> also >> >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this >> >> >> report, >> >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive >> >> >> increase >> >> >> in >> >> >> the >> >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed >> >> >> in >> >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of >> >> >> replacement. >> >> >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... >> >> >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of >> >> >> up >> >> >> to >> >> >> 10p >> >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be >> >> >> created >> >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. >> >> >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric >> >> >> cars >> >> >> should >> >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. >> >> >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power >> >> >> stations; >> >> >> or, >> >> >> carry on as we are? >> >> >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many >> >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for >> >> > less fortunate people. >> >> >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. >> >> >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? >> >> > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still >> > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an >> > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for >> > obvious reasons. >> >> You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you needed an >> electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and thus >> contributes to the need for more power stations? >> > So that I can get up hills. Any more personal qustions? At this rate > you will know all about my life and I will know nothing about yours. But you claim not to travel anywhere, what hill do you need to get up? > Typical! The only thing that's typical is your behaviour, "Do as I say, not as I do". >> > BTW, I understand you are also disabled but use a car. Why not an >> > electric bike which has much less adverse impact on the environment >> > and public health? >> >> No where to keep such a machine, as previously discussed. >> > You can store a bike almost anywhere, unlike a car. > Only if you have somewhere to store it.
From: JNugent on 7 Jul 2010 13:11 Doug wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: [ ... ] >>> BTW, I understand you are also disabled but use a car. Why not an >>> electric bike which has much less adverse impact on the environment >>> and public health? >> No where to keep such a machine, as previously discussed. > You can store a bike almost anywhere, unlike a car. Yes, but you can go almost anywhere in a car, and you can't on a bike (not in a reasonable time, anyway).
From: Colin McKenzie on 7 Jul 2010 14:34 On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:33:45 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:34:37 +0100, Colin McKenzie wrote: > >> 500 ton train 600 passengers... >> 5000 ton ship about the same? > > weight does not matter as much when you are floating, thats why ship > design doesn't bother much about lumps of iron while aeroplanes and cars > do. You could say the same for running on a smooth rail, which is one reason why the railways took over from the canals. You have to accelerate a lot of water to move a boat at consyant speed. Accelerating air is a lot easier. > Thats why its fairly cheap to car ferry but horribly expensive to air > freight a > car. But not, as a rule, cheaper for a passenger to sail than fly. I would be very happy to be contradicted (by someone with evidence), but my understanding is that a ferry uses at least as much fuel per passenger mile as an aircraft. Colin McKenzie -- No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking. Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.
From: Steve Firth on 7 Jul 2010 15:49
Doug <smithx(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Probably no worse than a car battery or even better due to difference > in size and weight. A Lithium battery has a much shorter life than a lead-acid battery. > BTW, Lithium from the batteries can be reclaimed. So can lead. You're still a brainless cunting fuckwit I see. And once again you have morphed to escape the kill file. You really are the lowest sort of net scum Bollen, do the world a favour - jump in front of a train. |