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From: Nick Finnigan on 7 Jul 2010 16:43 Colin McKenzie wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:18:20 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > >> Colin McKenzie wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:09:10 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man >>> <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Unless maybe if you >>>> take a train or boat, its the *milage* of travel that will kill the >>>> planet and flying tops that by a, er, mile. >>> Ships are energy-efficient for transporting freight, but not people. >>> This is because the ships are so heavy in relation to the number of >>> passengers - especially if you count the weight of the passengers' >>> cars, which are often on board too. >> >> As are trains. > > Not nearly as. > > 500 ton train 600 passengers... For a Eurotunnel passenger shuttle? > 5000 ton ship about the same? HSS 900 is a bit larger, but is designed for a comparable purposes.
From: webreader on 7 Jul 2010 18:04 On Jul 7, 8:49 pm, %ste...(a)malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: > Doug <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > Probably no worse than a car battery or even better due to difference > > in size and weight. > > A Lithium battery has a much shorter life than a lead-acid battery. > > > BTW, Lithium from the batteries can be reclaimed. > > So can lead. > > You're still a brainless cunting fuckwit I see. And once again you have > morphed to escape the kill file. You really are the lowest sort of net > scum Bollen, do the world a favour - jump in front of a train. Not in front of mine if you don't mind, I don't want the delay.
From: Mrcheerful on 7 Jul 2010 18:31 Colin McKenzie wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:33:45 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man > <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >> On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:34:37 +0100, Colin McKenzie wrote: >> >>> 500 ton train 600 passengers... >>> 5000 ton ship about the same? >> >> weight does not matter as much when you are floating, thats why ship >> design doesn't bother much about lumps of iron while aeroplanes and >> cars do. > > You could say the same for running on a smooth rail, which is one > reason why the railways took over from the canals. You have to > accelerate a lot of water to move a boat at consyant speed. > Accelerating air is a lot easier. so how come a single horse or a man can move a canal boat, even when fully loaded, and even a very low power motor will do the job quite nicely. show me a plane that can get going or keep going with just a horsepower or so. even when canal boats went internal combustion they only had about 4 horsepower.
From: Doug on 8 Jul 2010 02:10 On 7 July, 17:50, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > news:3ce01a3d-4e76-422a-a638-a8b391b0a62b(a)i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... > > > On 7 July, 10:46, "Man at B&Q" <manatba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 7, 8:27 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >> >news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... > > >> > > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >> > >>news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > >> > >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet > >> > >> >> they > >> > >> >> also > >> > >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by > >> > >> >> this > >> > >> >> report, > >> > >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive > >> > >> >> increase > >> > >> >> in > >> > >> >> the > >> > >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed > >> > >> >> in > >> > >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of > >> > >> >> replacement. > > >> > >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... > > >> > >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of > >> > >> >> up > >> > >> >> to > >> > >> >> 10p > >> > >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will > >> > >> >> be > >> > >> >> created > >> > >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. > > >> > >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric > >> > >> >> cars > >> > >> >> should > >> > >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. > > >> > >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power > >> > >> >> stations; > >> > >> >> or, > >> > >> >> carry on as we are? > > >> > >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too > >> > >> > many > >> > >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad > >> > >> > for > >> > >> > less fortunate people. > > >> > >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. > > >> > >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? > > >> > > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still > >> > > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an > >> > > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for > >> > > obvious reasons. > > >> > You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you needed > >> > an > >> > electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and > >> > thus > >> > contributes to the need for more power stations? > > >> And what aboput the environmental impact of producing and disposing of > >> the batteries? > > > Probably no worse than a car battery or even better due to difference > > in size and weight. BTW, Lithium from the batteries can be reclaimed. > > But if people didn't insist on buying such frivolous items such as battery > powered bicycles then the question of disposal doesn't arise does it Doug? > > There is also the question of the effect on the people and localities from > where the ore is mined. Do you have any idea of the devastation being caused > in those places Doug and that they are already running out and alternative > sites will have to be found? > You are obviously ill informed, as usual. "...The largest reserve base of lithium is in the Salar de Uyuni area of Bolivia, which has 5.4 million tons. US Geological Survey, estimates of the production and reserves of lithium in metric tons by country are in the table. [29][39] Contrary to the USGS data in the table, other estimates put Chile's reserve base at 7,520,000 metric tons of lithium, and Argentina's at 6,000,000 metric tons.[40]. On June 13, 2010, the New York Times reported that "Just this month, American geologists working with the Pentagon team have been conducting ground surveys on dry salt lakes in western Afghanistan where they believe there are large deposits of lithium..." That could explain a lot! > > How can you claim to be eco friendly when you buy such an unnecessary item? > Because I am using an electric bike instead of a car. You of course, as a car user by choice, are definitely eco unfriendly. Doug.
From: Doug on 8 Jul 2010 02:10
On 7 July, 17:52, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > news:9f4f2eb5-3d06-4178-b833-2a2fa449f6e5(a)a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 7 July, 08:27, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >>news:84108acc-0d80-4f10-bdcf-292273832372(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com... > > >> > On 6 July, 19:08, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> "Doug" <smi...(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > > >> >>news:65c6aa89-896d-44f6-93b7-054f923b0f5b(a)k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > On 6 July, 08:56, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Environmentalists want people to use electric vehicles and yet they > >> >> >> also > >> >> >> complain when new power stations are being proposed. Going by this > >> >> >> report, > >> >> >> there isn't enough generating capacity to support a massive > >> >> >> increase > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> use of electric vehicles and so new power stations will be needed > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> addition to replacing those which are worn out and in need of > >> >> >> replacement. > > >> >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7874065/Electric-cars-must-b... > > >> >> >> Quote: "Analysts for Saturn Energy calculated that a fuel duty of > >> >> >> up > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> 10p > >> >> >> a mile would be required to pay for the extra demand which will be > >> >> >> created > >> >> >> if the Government's targets on renewable energy are hit. > > >> >> >> The Climate Change Committee has said that 1.7 million electric > >> >> >> cars > >> >> >> should > >> >> >> be on Britain's roads by 2020. " End quote. > > >> >> >> So which is it to be, more electric vehicles and more power > >> >> >> stations; > >> >> >> or, > >> >> >> carry on as we are? > > >> >> > No, just stop travelling and consuming so much per capita. Too many > >> >> > people are having it too easy and its bad for the planet and bad for > >> >> > less fortunate people. > > >> >> I agree Doug. But, there's just one thing I find puzzling. > > >> >> Why did you buy an electric bicycle? > > >> > Because I have a very painful walking disability. Even so I am still > >> > banned from pavements and railway platforms. Of course, I bought an > >> > electric bike, instead of the more usual car for the disabled, for > >> > obvious reasons. > > >> You already had at least one pedal cycle. Why did you think you needed an > >> electric bike given that it increases the demand for electricity and thus > >> contributes to the need for more power stations? > > > So that I can get up hills. Any more personal qustions? At this rate > > you will know all about my life and I will know nothing about yours. > > But you claim not to travel anywhere, what hill do you need to get up? > > > Typical! > > The only thing that's typical is your behaviour, "Do as I say, not as I do". > > >> > BTW, I understand you are also disabled but use a car. Why not an > >> > electric bike which has much less adverse impact on the environment > >> > and public health? > > >> No where to keep such a machine, as previously discussed. > > > You can store a bike almost anywhere, unlike a car. > > Only if you have somewhere to store it. > They can be stored on walls. I take it you don't live in a tent? Doug. |