From: Ed Pawlowski on

"jim beam" <me(a)> wrote
> not always dude. stopping distances with abs can be considerably longer,
> especially in conditions like snow.

It allows for better steering control though, especially for the driver that
does not know how to deal with those conditions.

From: Tom on

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp(a)> wrote in message
> "jim beam" <me(a)> wrote
>> not always dude. stopping distances with abs can be considerably longer,
>> especially in conditions like snow.
> It allows for better steering control though, especially for the driver
> that does not know how to deal with those conditions.
in snow ABS enables you to steer in a straight line as much as possible
brakes only results in a 180 or 360 turn or slide into a ditch. I doubt if
not having ABS will stop as soon as with. I drive on snow covered hills a
lot this year more than others ABS is better and yes I have been in cars
without for years and have managed but not as good as with ABS. Have had a
drivers license for 56 years.

From: jim beam on
On 03/10/2010 10:45 PM, DC wrote:
> "jim beam"<me(a)> wrote in message
> news:IeudnWYmUdD27AXWnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d(a)
>> On 03/09/2010 10:15 PM, Rodan wrote:
>>> clare(a) wrote:
>>> Toyota throttle has 2 hall effect sensors. The output of one tracks the
>>> other but is offset. In other words, one starts at say, 0 volts, and
>>> the
>>> other at, say 1 volt - and they increase in step with each other.
>> how can that be true???
>> hall effect sensors are used for gross position detection, not small scale
>> linear deflections. they can be used for "wot" detection, but their
>> ability to work over a wide positioning range is limited. that's why
>> they're used in timing for things like crank position [rotational] sensors
>> where you're counting pulse rates, not graduation functions.
> These linear Hall effect sensors do indeed exist - and being non contact are
> arguably highly reliable
> Dave

interesting. but at >10x the price of a simple potentiometer solution,
which is afterall, also known to be highly reliable, would an auto
manufacturer really use one?

nomina rutrum rutrum
From: DAS on
You should both appear on the UK TV programme Grumpy Old Men (I kid you not)
as Grand Seniors...


To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling'
<clare(a)> wrote in message
> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:22:07 -0600, Grumpy AuContraire
> <GrumpyOne(a)> wrote:
>>clare(a) wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:12:54 -0600, Grumpy AuContraire
>>> <GrumpyOne(a)> wrote:
>>>> clare(a) wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:05:07 -0500, News <News(a)Groups.Name> wrote:
>>>>>> clare(a) wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:10:20 -0800, "theref" <theref(a)>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne(a)> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>> news:99adnZJAetdSdQ7WnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d(a)
>>>>>>>>> bjn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:38:19 -0500, Bill Putney <bptn(a)>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> if you buy all this fear-mongering idiocy that electronic
>>>>>>>>>>>> throttle is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, and that brakes, transmissions and ignition kill
>>>>>>>>>>>> switches can
>>>>>>>>>>>> all simultaneously fail causing a driver to lose control, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> might be
>>>>>>>>>>>> worth auto manufacturers of all stripes to adopt a slightly
>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation of electronic throttle [e.t.] - if not for
>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanical
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons, but to shut the idiots up...
>>>>>>>>>>> The lawyers, politicians, and news media can convince the public
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> impossible (failure even a totally fail safe system) any time
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> decide to do it depending on political or monetary motivation.
>>>>>>>>>>> IOW -
>>>>>>>>>>> the people and companies who do a good job of designing are
>>>>>>>>>>> going to get
>>>>>>>>>>> punished anyway (unless they know how to play the game in a
>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt
>>>>>>>>>>> system). There are people in our society whose life goal is to
>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>> sure that that happens.
>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that now lawyers, politicians and news media are
>>>>>>>>>> driving
>>>>>>>>>> (no
>>>>>>>>>> pun intended) solution. The way I see them talking, cars will
>>>>>>>>>> wind up
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> a fail-safe throttle that is more fail-safe than the controls of
>>>>>>>>>> a jumbo
>>>>>>>>>> passenger jet.
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure about this but for sure... The causes you cite
>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>> contributed in getting to where we're at!
>>>>>>>>> Oh, don't forget that little incident when a B-777's engines went
>>>>>>>>> to idle
>>>>>>>>> about a minute before touch down at Heathrow about a year ago.
>>>>>>>>> Aircraft
>>>>>>>>> was totaled but there were no major injuries.
>>>>>>>>> Cause has been assessed to software/computer glitch.
>>>>>>>>> JT
>>>>>>>> I believe that was traced to icing in the fuel system. SOP now is
>>>>>>>> to cycle
>>>>>>>> fuel after prolonged low temp at altitude.
>>>>>>> Icing on a JET?????????
>>>>>>> Don't think so.
>>>>>> Absolutely. Determined to be cause of BA 777 landing short at
>>>>>> Heathrow.
>>>>> OK - I looked it up. Technically this was fuel jelling - common with
>>>>> diesel fuel in arctic conditions. In the case of the Rolls turbines,
>>>>> it was a design fault in the fuel pre-heater unit which resulted in a
>>>>> mandatory replacement with a redesigned heat exchanger.
>>>>> Different than the carb icing on a prop plane.
>>>> Good point.
>>>> I like to read the whole technical report as opposed to what was
>>>> published in a paper.
>>>> JT
>>>> (Who remembers years ago a VW beetle icing up - A little "dry" gas took
>>>> care of the problem quickly)
>>> I had my 49 beetle vapour lock and ice up on the same one-day trip
>>> with weather in the high 80's F ( and roughly 100% humidity)
>>Day-yam... You must be older than me... '49 beetle???
> I was 21 when I bougt it, and it was 24.
> Now you know how old I am.

From: cuhulin on
Cars are getting fancier and fancier all the time.It's like driving a PC
on wheels.