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From: DAS on 6 Mar 2010 17:30 Yes, the Toyota recalls 'arrived' in the UK... DAS To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling' -- "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:zPKdnVV3Y5EbIA_WnZ2dnUVZ_hYAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... > On 03/06/2010 12:02 PM, Cameo wrote: >> "Jim Warman" <mechanic(a)telusplanet.net> wrote: >>> >>> Have we seen problems with Fords drive by wire? A very few, but >>> yes.... No unintended accelerations have been (AFAIK) documented. >> >> Have we seen problems with Toyota outside of the US? Are they making >> different cars for other markets? > > c'mon dude, don't ask difficult questions that expose the logical fallacy > of this ridiculous protectionist witch hunt. > > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 6 Mar 2010 17:38 On 03/06/2010 02:25 PM, DAS wrote: > Jim Beam. do you read the FT, or do you just like calling a spade a spade? both! > > DAS > > To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling' > -- > "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:uNednTwiCNl9Ww_WnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > [...] >> nomina rutrum rutrum > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 6 Mar 2010 17:43 On 03/06/2010 01:30 PM, Bob Cooper wrote: > In article<hmuep4$qd2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says... >> >> >> This is the most important part? >> >> It's nonsense! The gas pedal does two things, opens the throttle plate and >> closes the throttle plate. Period. >> >> You should ride the bus. > > Nonsense? Where have I heard that before? > This is what you get if you're foolish enough to to let somebody who > names himself after a whiskey, whose logic is limited to the HTML > programming he's done for a Toyota fanboy website, and thinks EPS uses a > pump - design automobile throttling. > Don't worry, nobody in charge of such things is that foolish. > Well, maybe Toyota was. And look where it got them. get some experience bob. some cars do use electric pumps for power steering. toyota is one of them. not all models, but some. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Jeff Strickland on 6 Mar 2010 17:46 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:ntSdnbrMg8YIRw_WnZ2dnUVZ_jEAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... > On 03/06/2010 01:30 PM, Bob Cooper wrote: >> In article<hmuep4$qd2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, >> crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says... >>> >>> >>> This is the most important part? >>> >>> It's nonsense! The gas pedal does two things, opens the throttle plate >>> and >>> closes the throttle plate. Period. >>> >>> You should ride the bus. >> >> Nonsense? Where have I heard that before? >> This is what you get if you're foolish enough to to let somebody who >> names himself after a whiskey, whose logic is limited to the HTML >> programming he's done for a Toyota fanboy website, and thinks EPS uses a >> pump - design automobile throttling. >> Don't worry, nobody in charge of such things is that foolish. >> Well, maybe Toyota was. And look where it got them. > > get some experience bob. some cars do use electric pumps for power > steering. toyota is one of them. not all models, but some. > Cite. Toyota's electric steering does not use an electric motor to drive a hydraulic pump. There are makes that use such a system, but Toyota isn't among them, and certainly the Corolla does not use that system, which is the model that is having steering problems.
From: jim beam on 6 Mar 2010 17:55
On 03/06/2010 02:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > > > "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote >>> Drive by wire is certainly a natural progression. What failed is two >>> things. One is the Toyota system (whatever that was), >> >> really? has that been demonstrated yet? i see lots of speculation from >> idiots that don't know what the heck they're talking about, and loads >> of astroturf from people with a stake in forcing a negative outcome, >> but i've yet to see any real evidence of this. > > You read the papers and watch the news. you should actually /read/ the papers. nobody has offered any evidence that there is a system failure. only allegation. allegation != evidence. just like our congressional witnesses car alleging all kinds of demonic behavior, but which was apparently driven 30k trouble-free miles after she sold it. odd how that happened. > Regardless of the reason, > something failed or it would not have made the news to the degree is > has. wow!!! exactly how wet behind the ears are you ed? > Faulty design? Faulty electronics? Faulty mechanics? Even if it is > proved to be 100% driver error, something failed or that many drivers > would not have had the problem. i was at a party the other weekend, and a woman there was bleating about her prius having a stuck throttle. so i asked her some questions. did she crash? no. was she able to stop the car? yes. did this throttle problem occur before or after she'd heard about it in the media. after. did she have any problem before she'd heard about it? no. conclusion - some people are susceptible to suggestion. > Just as the Audi was shown to be pedal > location and driver error, it was a failure to get the job done properly. no it wasn't. you're very politically naive. audi, had a successful 4wd sedan that had set the rest of the world on fire and that was threatening the profitability of domestic manufacturers that might have to follow suit. the hysteria was detroit smear campaign. just like we're witnessing now with toyota. of course, complete exoneration was years after the damage had been done and audi effectively chased from the u.s. market. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |