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From: Dave Kelsen on 2 Apr 2010 07:54 On 4/1/2010 9:00 AM jim spake these words of knowledge: > > Dave Kelsen wrote: > >> never been one of the most helpful people here. Nor did I claim to be >> one of those folks. But I have been here for years. Your reading >> comprehension seems to be on a level with your reasoning abilities. Shame. > > He made several casual observations. I wonder which one of those statements > rang true and got you so bent out of shape. I'm guessing this one: > > "Some people want to feel superior, or it could be they want > reinforcement of their own beliefs, because they are not sure > of those beliefs." In my case, it was the next statement. The idea that the people who spend their time typing here, researching questions, answering questions for others, etc., are doing so because they wish to justify their laziness is rather remarkable. If you actually consider "Vic's" remarks to be casual, I do not wish to disillusion you; the world will take care of that in relatively short order. But they were not. They were obvious misrepresentations, deliberate lies. Bear in mind that I was *not* one of the previous respondents, so it wasn't a case of me taking it personally. Personally, I think you know that, and are a slightly more sophisticated troll, but I have answered you as if you are not, because I surely can be mistaken. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
From: Dave Kelsen on 2 Apr 2010 08:04 On 4/1/2010 9:30 PM clare(a)snyder.on.ca spake these words of knowledge: > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:37:42 -0400, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > >> >>"jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote in message >>news:A8GdndMKt4ay1y7WnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d(a)bright.net... >> >>> The question is why are there so many zealots on the internet that >>> feel >>> it is their mission in life to convince other motorists that it is >>> good >>> to be driving around with black oil in their engines? What sort of >>> belief system drives a person to go around trying to convert others >>> to >>> black engine oil? >> >>While eveyone should make their own decisions on this, I can think of >>a few "reasonable" reasons why it is useful to at least let people >>know 3000 mile oil changes are not usually beneficial: >> >>1) To counteract the constant din from compnies like Jiffy-Lube that >>have brainwashed gnerations of people into thinking you must change >>your oil every 3000 miles. >> >>2) To make people aware that cars and oils are much better than was >>the case when their Fathers used to change their oil. >> >>3) Becasue some people are concerned about the environement and don't >>like seeing all that perfectly good oil being drained from engines. >> >>4) Just becasue we want people to know the facts so they can make an >>informed decision. >> >>Ed >> > > And those of us who prefer to change the oil more often are villified > as liars and idiots by those who believe today's oils and engines are > SO VASTLY improved, in ALL ways, over the e ngines and oils of the > past. > > Yes, there have been major improvements - but the higher specific > output and smaller bearing surfaces for reduced friction - and > therefor better fuel mileage - and numerous other design changes, > combined with the addition of Ethanol and other chemicals to the fuel > and the mandated removal of Zinc based extreme pressure > additives from the oil have ALL conspired to make the job of t he > engine oil more severe. True enough - but while the actions on your part are indeed a preference, the folks who talk about the improvements to engines and oils have something more than a belief. They have scientifically conducted experiments. They have proof that they are right. I think that's an important distinction. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- "The true secret of giving advice is, after you have honestly given it, to be perfectly indifferent whether it is taken or not and never persist in trying to set people right." -- Hannah Whitall Smith
From: Dave Kelsen on 2 Apr 2010 08:07 On 4/2/2010 2:06 AM Tony Harding spake these words of knowledge: > On 03/31/10 09:43, jim beam wrote: >> On 03/31/2010 05:33 AM, Mark wrote: >> >>> On Mar 30, 11:15�am, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>> Does that really matter? >>>> >>>> of course not. �the percentage difference it makes is vanishingly small. >>>> � and that's not including the fact that some engines have oil >>>> deliberately pooled in locations that don't drain - to protect cam >>>> shafts for instance. �new oil simply dilutes - unless the engine is >>>> completely stripped and cleaned, it's never a complete "change". >> >> <fixed top posting> >> >> > If there are other pools of oil in the engine, why doesn't the oil >> > turn dark right away? What is the percentage difference between 5% >> > old oil left and 1%? Think it's 4%? >> > >> > >> >> like i said - dilution. > > Dilution with what? <serious question, not trying to be snarky> The fresh oil. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary numbers, and those who don't.
From: jim on 2 Apr 2010 08:40 Dave Kelsen wrote: > > On 4/1/2010 9:00 AM jim spake these words of knowledge: > > > > > Dave Kelsen wrote: > > > >> never been one of the most helpful people here. Nor did I claim to be > >> one of those folks. But I have been here for years. Your reading > >> comprehension seems to be on a level with your reasoning abilities. Shame. > > > > He made several casual observations. I wonder which one of those statements > > rang true and got you so bent out of shape. I'm guessing this one: > > > > "Some people want to feel superior, or it could be they want > > reinforcement of their own beliefs, because they are not sure > > of those beliefs." > > In my case, it was the next statement. The idea that the people who > spend their time typing here, researching questions, answering questions > for others, etc., are doing so because they wish to justify their > laziness is rather remarkable. In short-> It is sacrilegious to even speculate about hidden motives of the Saints. > > If you actually consider "Vic's" remarks to be casual, I do not wish to > disillusion you; the world will take care of that in relatively short > order. But they were not. They were obvious misrepresentations, > deliberate lies. Bear in mind that I was *not* one of the previous > respondents, so it wasn't a case of me taking it personally. You can't seriously believe I'm going to read this and not think "You are taking the comments as a personal attack on your belief system." > > Personally, I think you know that, and are a slightly more sophisticated > troll, but I have answered you as if you are not, because I surely can > be mistaken. So let's say I change my oil at 8000 miles where does that put me. I mean Heaven is obviously reserved for those that change their oil at 10000 miles and Hell is for those who change oil at 3000 miles. So where do I end up? Purgatory?
From: hls on 2 Apr 2010 08:43
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:4bb5dd55$0$4962$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > True enough - but while the actions on your part are indeed a preference, > the folks who talk about the improvements to engines and oils have > something more than a belief. They have scientifically conducted > experiments. They have proof that they are right. We have talked about this before. There may be proof, and scientifically conducted experiments, but evidence of these is lacking, especially on this group. We hear testimonials, and opinions posed to be fact. Where is the actual data? |