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From: Grumpy AuContraire on 2 Apr 2010 19:11 Elle wrote: > On Apr 1, 5:51 pm, "Bob Jones" <em...(a)me.not> wrote: >> "Elle" <honda.lion...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> snip >> >>> From my >>> 2003 Civic's manual: >>> The "normal" schedule is fine for most drivers, even if they >>> occasionally drive in severe conditions. >> That's a big difference from just saying "is fine for most drivers." > > Pardon? The manual is pointing out that one must drive "most of the > time" in the severe conditions listed to warrant following the severe > schedule. Only occasionally driving in severe conditions warrants the > normal schedule. > Heh... Probably a product of the public school system! JT
From: dr_jeff on 2 Apr 2010 19:14 Grumpy AuContraire wrote: > Elle wrote: >> On Apr 1, 5:51 pm, "Bob Jones" <em...(a)me.not> wrote: >>> "Elle" <honda.lion...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> > > snip > >>> >>>> From my >>>> 2003 Civic's manual: >>>> The "normal" schedule is fine for most drivers, even if they >>>> occasionally drive in severe conditions. >>> That's a big difference from just saying "is fine for most drivers." >> >> Pardon? The manual is pointing out that one must drive "most of the >> time" in the severe conditions listed to warrant following the severe >> schedule. Only occasionally driving in severe conditions warrants the >> normal schedule. >> > > > > Heh... Probably a product of the public school system! > > JT I am a product of the public school system, and quite proud of it. So are my students. Jeff
From: Bob Jones on 2 Apr 2010 19:16 "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:C7DB5EA7.19A1D%e.p.meyer(a)verizon.net... > On 4/1/10 2:36 PM, in article > 2c7be1e4-0b10-40e6-a35b-92662fbfd8c6(a)k13g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, "Elle" > <honda.lioness(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mar 31, 6:33 pm, "Bob Jones" <em...(a)me.not> wrote: >>> Severe conditions are defined as follows: >> >>> I believe they apply to most drivers in this country. Are you saying no? >> >> I am saying "no," though it is conjecture like everyone else's. Honda >> itself says the normal schedule "is fine for most drivers." From my >> 2003 Civic's manual: >> --- >> The "normal" schedule is fine for most drivers, even if they >> occasionally drive in severe conditions. >> >> Follow the "severe" schedule only if you drive in one or more of these >> conditions /most of the time/" [emphasis is Honda's, not mine]: >> >> Trips of less than 5 miles (less than 10 in freezing weather) >> Extremely hot weather (over 90 degrees F) >> Extensive idling or stop-and-go driving >> Trailer towing, car-top carrier, or mountain driving >> Muddy, dusty, or de-iced roads" >> --- >> >> In addition, I think oil change analyses will support the claim that >> most folks' Hondas are not driven under severe conditions. The >> original study that Jim B cited proposes a 10k mile change interval >> for passenger cars. Look at the study itself, and one will see >> passenger cars, used as a fleet by the California Department of >> General Services, were examined. Again, it is only conjecture, but >> ISTM that such fleet cars would see much stop and go driving. Consumer >> Reports found similar for NYC taxis in 1996: >> http://www.moneybluebook.com/articles/consumerreports.oilchange.php . > > Here in Texas, the temp goes above 90 sometime in May and stays there > until > October. That pretty much kills normal schedule here, at least in the > summer. > > I think its interesting that Honda puts in the 90 degree clause, where > Nissan focuses on dust and freezing temps, and only talks about hot in > terms > of stop-and-go driving in hot weather. > How about stop-and-go traffic in freezing temperatures on de-iced roads? I had many days like that just this past winter.
From: Grumpy AuContraire on 2 Apr 2010 23:02 dr_jeff wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire wrote: >> Elle wrote: >>> On Apr 1, 5:51 pm, "Bob Jones" <em...(a)me.not> wrote: >>>> "Elle" <honda.lion...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> >> >> snip >> >>>> >>>>> From my >>>>> 2003 Civic's manual: >>>>> The "normal" schedule is fine for most drivers, even if they >>>>> occasionally drive in severe conditions. >>>> That's a big difference from just saying "is fine for most drivers." >>> >>> Pardon? The manual is pointing out that one must drive "most of the >>> time" in the severe conditions listed to warrant following the severe >>> schedule. Only occasionally driving in severe conditions warrants the >>> normal schedule. >>> >> >> >> >> Heh... Probably a product of the public school system! >> >> JT > > I am a product of the public school system, and quite proud of it. So > are my students. > > Jeff Keepin' the chain going, eh? JT
From: Dave Kelsen on 2 Apr 2010 23:10
On 4/2/2010 12:31 PM jim spake these words of knowledge: > > Dave Kelsen wrote: > > >> > >> > You can't seriously believe I'm going to read this and not think "You >> > are taking the comments as a personal attack on your belief system." >> >> I don't have a belief system with respect to my cars. I use the actual >> knowledge of the people who build and understand them, and the people >> who have bothered to examine their oil to obtain real-world information >> on how often they should change it. > > You state you have zero personal first hand knowledge and no belief > system. So what's left? you are omniscient? > > >> You should try it. That said, I >> don't particularly care what you do. Further, if you look back up the >> chain of posts, you will notice that I did not participate. "Vic" was >> not responded to, nor addressing, me. > > yeah but if you're omniscient you already knew he was attacking you - > even before he wrote it. > >> >> I can seriously believe that it doesn't matter what anyone says to you; >> your opinion is apparently based on some sort of religion or, as you put >> it, 'belief system'. Facts apparently don't enter into the matter. Enjoy! > > And pray tell what facts have you presented? Lady, I can't really imagine how much fun it must be to live in your world. It's a shame there's no one there with you .. Back in the 70's, when I smoked a lot of herb, I never hallucinated - so I surmise that either pot has changed a lot, or you're doing something considerably more serious. Either way, you should probably get some help, but I don't suppose you'll understand that any better than anything else you've had read to you. Be careful, man; have a safe journey, and try not to hurt anyone else! RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- Too bad stupidity isn't painful. |