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From: hls on 4 Apr 2010 10:37 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:Cq-dnaLhIbnI8yrWnZ2dnUVZ_v4AAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... > On 04/02/2010 09:20 AM, SMS wrote: >> On 01/04/10 7:30 PM, clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: >> >>> And those of us who prefer to change the oil more often are villified >>> as liars and idiots >> >> Not liars. Not even idiots. Just clueless. > > no, they're idiots. the clueless can be educated. the idiots, never so. > > -- And your point is that anyone who doesnt agree with you is clueless or an idiot. It must be selfsatisfying to see so much of humanity from your elevated viewpoint.
From: Bob Jones on 4 Apr 2010 11:33 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:Cq-dnd_hIbka8yrWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 04/01/2010 04:33 PM, Bob Jones wrote: >> "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:XdqdnRJTWIGpPCnWnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >>> On 03/31/2010 05:33 PM, Bob Jones wrote: >>>> "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>>> news:ZbmdnZS5tr6ESy_WnZ2dnUVZ_tAAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >>>>> On 03/30/2010 04:55 PM, Bob Jones wrote: >>>>>> "Elle"<honda.lioness(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:3ebb0d52-9d5c-4fda-9d4c-e7d329ca1792(a)i25g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Mar 29, 6:41 pm, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>>> http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/TechnologyDevelopment/OPPTD_FLY_High-Efficienc... >>>>>> >>>>>>> The article linked above is a good read and helps reinforce my >>>>>>> belief >>>>>>> about going with the manufacturer's recommendations on oil change >>>>>>> intervals, or even longer. >>>>>> >>>>>>> The owner's manual for my 2003 Civic says to change the oil every >>>>>>> 10k >>>>>>> miles or every year, whichever comes first, using 5W20 >>>>>>> non-synthetic, >>>>>>> and assuming no extreme conditions, per what is explained to be >>>>>>> "extreme" in the owner's manual. >>>>>> >>>>>>> The wikipedia entry for "motor oil" talks about how oil standards >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> changed, driving the increasing interval over the decades. >>>>>> >>>>>> That may be the case for normal driving condition. Most people drive >>>>>> in >>>>>> severe conditions. >>>>> >>>>> nonsense - by definition, "normal" is what most people drive in. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Severe conditions are defined >>> >>> defined by whom? >>> >> >> Look up Honda's manual. >> >>> >>>> as follows: >>>> >>>> - Driving less than 5 miles per trip or less than 10 miles per trip in >>>> freezing temperatures. >>>> - Driving in extreme hot (over 90F) conditions. >>>> - Extensive idling or long periods of stop-and-go driving. >>>> - Driving in muddy, dusty, de-iced, or mountain roads. >>> >>> i googled for those definitions, and guess what - they all came up on >>> iffy-lube type websites selling you 3000 mile oil changes. >>> >>> bottom line - it's analysis that trumps all cant, sales, superstition or >>> hysteria on this subject. if the analysis says you can run your oil >>> longer, and per my original post, most people can, that's the end of the >>> story. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I believe they apply to most drivers in this country. Are you saying >>>> no? >>> >>> yes, i'm saying no. it's illogical nonsense. >>> >> >> We just have to disagree then. >> >> > > you "disagree" with the facts?????? where can we find your contrary > research published? > I don't need to do any research. Honda has already done that. If you want to come up with your own, knock yourself out.
From: Scott Dorsey on 4 Apr 2010 12:01 hls <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote: > >So you are trying to say that the problematic Toyotas would not have >sludged if they had been using synthetic oils? I doubt you have any >proof at all for that statement. Well, if the problem was caused by low flow and high temperatures causing oil breakdown, a synthetic oil with a higher breakdown temperature would seem to help. I had a Chrysler Laser which was notorious for turbocharger problems. The oil would bake in the turbocharger after the engine was turned off, and clog it up with varnish. I used mostly synthetic oil in the thing for years and never had a turbocharger problem. It all really depends on what was causing the sludging in the first place. If it was caused by blow-by, the best oil in the world wouldn't help. But if it was caused by varnishing, synthetics can help a lot. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: jim beam on 4 Apr 2010 12:15 On 04/04/2010 08:33 AM, Bob Jones wrote: > "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:Cq-dnd_hIbka8yrWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >> On 04/01/2010 04:33 PM, Bob Jones wrote: >>> "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>> news:XdqdnRJTWIGpPCnWnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >>>> On 03/31/2010 05:33 PM, Bob Jones wrote: >>>>> "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:ZbmdnZS5tr6ESy_WnZ2dnUVZ_tAAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >>>>>> On 03/30/2010 04:55 PM, Bob Jones wrote: >>>>>>> "Elle"<honda.lioness(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:3ebb0d52-9d5c-4fda-9d4c-e7d329ca1792(a)i25g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> On Mar 29, 6:41 pm, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/TechnologyDevelopment/OPPTD_FLY_High-Efficienc... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The article linked above is a good read and helps reinforce my >>>>>>>> belief >>>>>>>> about going with the manufacturer's recommendations on oil change >>>>>>>> intervals, or even longer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The owner's manual for my 2003 Civic says to change the oil every >>>>>>>> 10k >>>>>>>> miles or every year, whichever comes first, using 5W20 >>>>>>>> non-synthetic, >>>>>>>> and assuming no extreme conditions, per what is explained to be >>>>>>>> "extreme" in the owner's manual. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The wikipedia entry for "motor oil" talks about how oil standards >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> changed, driving the increasing interval over the decades. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That may be the case for normal driving condition. Most people drive >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> severe conditions. >>>>>> >>>>>> nonsense - by definition, "normal" is what most people drive in. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Severe conditions are defined >>>> >>>> defined by whom? >>>> >>> >>> Look up Honda's manual. >>> >>>> >>>>> as follows: >>>>> >>>>> - Driving less than 5 miles per trip or less than 10 miles per trip in >>>>> freezing temperatures. >>>>> - Driving in extreme hot (over 90F) conditions. >>>>> - Extensive idling or long periods of stop-and-go driving. >>>>> - Driving in muddy, dusty, de-iced, or mountain roads. >>>> >>>> i googled for those definitions, and guess what - they all came up on >>>> iffy-lube type websites selling you 3000 mile oil changes. >>>> >>>> bottom line - it's analysis that trumps all cant, sales, superstition or >>>> hysteria on this subject. if the analysis says you can run your oil >>>> longer, and per my original post, most people can, that's the end of the >>>> story. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I believe they apply to most drivers in this country. Are you saying >>>>> no? >>>> >>>> yes, i'm saying no. it's illogical nonsense. >>>> >>> >>> We just have to disagree then. >>> >>> >> >> you "disagree" with the facts?????? where can we find your contrary >> research published? >> > > I don't need to do any research. Honda has already done that. then you have a reading comprehension problem. because honda have indeed done plenty of research and carefully written it into your owners manual, but you evidently don't seem to understand what they've said. > If you want to > come up with your own, knock yourself out. based on oil analysis, i have this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/4291579733/ what do you have? -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: clare on 4 Apr 2010 12:42
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 08:05:22 -0500, "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote: > >"jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >news:Cq-dnaDhIbm58yrWnZ2dnUVZ_v4AAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >> On 04/02/2010 07:47 AM, ACAR wrote: >> <snip for clarity> >>> Toyota's oil related sludge/gelling issues were pretty well >>> publicized. However, I think it is true that not one problem was cited >>> by anyone who changed their own oil. >> >> that statement is worth significant examination: "sludge", any engine, is >> an oil problem, not mechanical. if toyota had been sold a job lot of >> defective oil or if iffy-lube were being more ruthlessly inattentive than >> normal, that would indeed cause the problem. >> > >So you are trying to say that the problematic Toyotas would not have >sludged if they had been using synthetic oils? I doubt you have any >proof at all for that statement. > He is correct though - synthetic oils at the recommended interval did not sludge - nor dird regular oils at the severe duty schedule. That has been proven time and again. |