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From: jim on 31 Mar 2010 14:15 Jeff Strickland wrote: > > Sorry for jumping in in the middle here, but it appears to me that you're > suggesting that the bad effects of a blown head gasket can be mitigated by > clean oil. That's a huge falacy. Well I'm sorry but the SAE doesn't share your opinion. There have been a number of studies on levels of antifreeze contamination on oil and its effects. > > If the head gasket lets go, it won't matter if the oil was changed 10 > minutes or 10 months ago. The contamination of the coolant into the oil is > the least of the problem when the head gasket goes. No not really, in terms of immediate consequences contamination of the oil can be the only real concern. A small amount of antifreeze lost from the cooling system won't impact on the engine temp and if the coolant leak is from the water jacket into crankcase then the only short term consequence at all is the contamination of the oil. That is not to say you can't create a scenario of head gasket failure where it doesn't matter how old the oil is. Even if it doesn't matter most of the time, that misses the point. The point is that no matter how improbable it may be it is possible to have just the right kind of leak with just the right amount of leakage that whether the oil is old or fresh can make a difference. So anyone who tells you there is no possibility that the fine particles suspended in the oil, that accumulate with miles, is going to ever cause harm is simply not being accurate. The best you can say is that it is unlikely they will ever cause harm. -jim
From: cuhulin on 31 Mar 2010 14:17 I change the oil and oil filters in my old vehicles at least twice each year, also lube the alemites.It is a dirty job, but somebody has got to do it, that somebody is hiself.I don't call it recreation though. cuhulin
From: Obveeus on 31 Mar 2010 15:38 "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: > Obveeus wrote: >> >> "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: >> > Some people don't like to have black oil in their engines just like >> > some people can't stand to see a speck of dirt in their house. Why is >> > it >> > that the one attracts so much criticism while the other goes without >> > comment? >> >> Are we now trying to demonize anyone that points out 'hey, that is a big >> waste of money'? > > Go ahead. Point out any foolish thing you want to. It is not as if about > 90% of other consumer spending isn't a target for the big waste of money > line. The question is why this particular obsession? I hadn't noticed any obsession. >> > The question is why are there so many zealots on the internet that feel >> > it is their mission in life to convince other motorists that it is good >> > to be driving around with black oil in their engines? What sort of >> > belief system drives a person to go around trying to convert others to >> > black engine oil? >> >> People that want to reduce their country's dependence on foreign oil? > > If you want to do that then advocate for getting rid of the automobile > as private transportation. That might be a bit extreme compared with the simple advise of 'don't throw away oil while it is still perfectly good'. >> People that want the environment to be less poluted? > > Doubtful argument. My hunch is people with this obsession pollute the > environment significantly more than those who aren't so obsessed. Do tell, why would people that don't want oil pollution be more likely to polute? >> People that are just trying to give helpful financial advice? > > That doesn't explain the obsession. I hadn't noticed any obsession, but now that you mention the word, I will say that you do seem a bit obsessed with this issue. >> Next up: irrational fear that someone will let out word that car wax >> isn't >> really beneficial. > > Well the same could be said for any other cosmetic product, but so what? 'So what' could be said about 99% of all dialog, right? Maybe the 'advise' will keep someone from wasting time and money on car wax...and keep them from harming their car's finish. Sure, it is a 'so what', but why do you feel the need to respond with another 'so what' complaining/obsessing about the first 'so what'?
From: Obveeus on 31 Mar 2010 15:40 "Elle" <honda.lioness(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:beb4763f-74c7-4bf7-801c-7c0f79b766bd(a)e6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... On Mar 30, 5:55 pm, "Bob Jones" <em...(a)me.not> wrote: >> Most people drive in severe conditions. > >-- For my 2003 Civic in severe conditions, the interval then becomes >5k miles or six months. > >-- I would have to see a citation to believe that most people drive in >severe conditions. I think Jim B is right that "normal" is a word that >Honda chose for its manuals with careful consideration. I have seen 'severe conditions' described as 'lots of stop and go traffic'. If that is the definition, then yes, most people drive under severe conditions.
From: jim on 31 Mar 2010 16:42
Obveeus wrote: > > I hadn't noticed any obsession. I noticed that you hadn't noticed > > > > If you want to do that then advocate for getting rid of the automobile > > as private transportation. > > That might be a bit extreme compared with the simple advise of 'don't throw > away oil while it is still perfectly good'. How about you recycle it instead of throwing it away. > > >> People that want the environment to be less poluted? > > > > Doubtful argument. My hunch is people with this obsession pollute the > > environment significantly more than those who aren't so obsessed. > > Do tell, why would people that don't want oil pollution be more likely to > polute? It doesn't even cross your mind that someone who claiming to not want oil pollution might be a bit insincere? > > >> People that are just trying to give helpful financial advice? > > > > That doesn't explain the obsession. > > I hadn't noticed any obsession, but now that you mention the word, I will > say that you do seem a bit obsessed with this issue. What issue? Making light of people who preach nonsense on the internet? If that is the issue you mean Ok, maybe I did take a little time today to be obsessed with that. But since Im not one of those who enjoys changing oil often I get my recreation in other ways. > > >> Next up: irrational fear that someone will let out word that car wax > >> isn't > >> really beneficial. > > > > Well the same could be said for any other cosmetic product, but so what? > > 'So what' could be said about 99% of all dialog, right? Maybe the 'advise' > will keep someone from wasting time and money on car wax.. Or maybe your deluded about the impact of your words. |