From: Eeyore on


Gary V wrote:

> On May 14, 9:01 pm, Jeffrey Turner <jtur...(a)localnet.com> wrote:
> > Brent P wrote:
>
> > > There has always been a choice to buy cars with
> > > better fuel economy.
> >
> > You don't have a choice if those cars aren't being made or are very
> > expensive.
>
> Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! They would be very expensive.

Well.... you could buy small European cars at reasonable prices were they not
required to be changed to suit US regulations.

Graham

From: hc23hc on
Rube Neo-Conniving Bozo wrote:
>
> Of course, the inflation-adjusted price of gasoline in
> 1967, in 2007 dollars, was closer to $2.50 a gallon -
> cheaper than today, for sure, but not as cheap as an
> economics-illiterate like you would like to imagine.


I'll have what Rube's having -- Jugglery all round !

If the minimum wage were adjusted at the same rate as CEOs salaries
over the past decade, it would now be at $21.00 an hour.

Also in real terms: a gallon of gasoline, a gallon of milk or a pack
of cigarettes (take your pick, all going for $4+ a pop) are worse
quality and cost people more now than ever before.

There's never going to be any pity or consolation for those who profit
by screwing the American people, other than in Ancient RubeSpeak.
Keep sucking up to the Rich, Rube. They're taller than you.


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From: Gary V on
On May 15, 9:09 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Gary V wrote:
> > On May 14, 9:01 pm, Jeffrey Turner <jtur...(a)localnet.com> wrote:
> > > Brent P wrote:
>
> > > > There has always been a choice to buy cars with
> > > > better fuel economy.
>
> > > You don't have a choice if those cars aren't being made or are very
> > > expensive.
>
> > Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! They would be very expensive.
>
> Well.... you could buy small European cars at reasonable prices were they not
> required to be changed to suit US regulations.

Models such as? MB didn't import the smart to the US - because they
figured out that they wouldn't sell enough to make the effort
profitable. Because not enough people would want to buy them.

And which regulations are you speaking of? European exhaust
regulations, while different from those in the US, are essentially of
the same magnitude of difficulty to achieve. The differences in
signals and lighting have minimal impact on cost. Those European
makers could certify for the US market if they chose to - and a number
of them have chosen to do so, after weighing the costs and benefits.

From: hc23hc on
Gary VD wrote:
>
> MB didn't import the smart to the US - because they
> figured out that they wouldn't sell enough to make the effort
> profitable. Because not enough people would want to buy them.
>
> And which regulations are you speaking of? European exhaust
> regulations, while different from those in the US, are essentially of
> the same magnitude of difficulty to achieve. The differences in
> signals and lighting have minimal impact on cost. Those European
> makers could certify for the US market if they chose to - and a number
> of them have chosen to do so, after weighing the costs and benefits.

Bullshit.

Here's another great car you can't buy here (or anywhere else now) due
to American automotive isolationism.

95.3 miles per gallon
81g/km CO2 emissions
0.228g/km CO emissions
0.240g/km Nox emissions
0.261g/km HC/Nox emissions
0.0021g/km Particulate emissions

0-60mph: 14 seconds
Top speed: 106mph (where permitted)
Coefficient drag: 0.25

Weight: 930kg (empty) 1225kg (max)

http://www.greenconsumerguide.com/audi_a2_tdi.php

I wanted to buy one of those here in California in 2003. No way.
"Prohibited By Law" was the excuse.


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From: John Mayson on
hc23hc wrote:
> Rube Neo-Conniving Bozo wrote:
>> Of course, the inflation-adjusted price of gasoline in
>> 1967, in 2007 dollars, was closer to $2.50 a gallon -
>> cheaper than today, for sure, but not as cheap as an
>> economics-illiterate like you would like to imagine.
>
>
> I'll have what Rube's having -- Jugglery all round !
>
> If the minimum wage were adjusted at the same rate as CEOs salaries
> over the past decade, it would now be at $21.00 an hour.
>
> Also in real terms: a gallon of gasoline, a gallon of milk or a pack
> of cigarettes (take your pick, all going for $4+ a pop) are worse
> quality and cost people more now than ever before.
>
> There's never going to be any pity or consolation for those who profit
> by screwing the American people, other than in Ancient RubeSpeak.
> Keep sucking up to the Rich, Rube. They're taller than you.

But who says costs and wages have to be constant over time? My Tandy
1000 computer in 1985 cost about $2,000. Should an 8088-based computer
with dual-floppies and 64 kb of RAM cost $3,500 today?

--
John Mayson <john(a)mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA