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From: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) on 20 May 2007 00:54 Jeffrey Turner wrote: > > Eeyore wrote: > > Jeffrey Turner wrote: > > > > > >>but with Sarkozy in there things will likely get worse. > > > > What have you in mind ? > > I'm under the impression that he's in the Thatcher mold, and will be > doing whatever harm he can get away with to social services. > You should put everything in context, the dole in France is out of control. So are the unions. -- "There are some gals who don't like to be pushed and grabbed and lassoed and drug into buses in the middle of the night." "How else was I gonna get her on the bus? Well, I'm askin' ya.", George Axelrod, "Bus Stop"
From: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) on 20 May 2007 00:56 Eeyore wrote: > > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > > > Jeffrey Turner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Losing your job to someone who'll work for half the wages *so* often > > > > > > leads to prosperity. > > > > > > > > > > Why stop at half the wages. China and India can do it for far far less. > > > > > > > > > Don't the people of those countries need to live too? > > > > > > It costs less there. > > > > The two most important reasons for the huge cost differences in the US > > vs countries like China and India is a place to live and medical care. > > Solve those two and Americas could almost live on minimum wage. > > That would still be about 10 times the rate in Bombay. You'd also have to give up car > ownership, higher education, live in only a couple of rooms, and own almost no > consumer goods etc to compete. > The cast offs in consumer goods that about any American can get for about free are better than most people in India or China can hope for.
From: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) on 20 May 2007 00:58 Eeyore wrote: > > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > > > The two most important reasons for the huge cost differences in the US > > vs countries like China and India is a place to live and medical care. > > Actually it's about basic produce like food and clothing too. > How much do you think that costs? I'm not saying how much could you spend on that if you want to see how much you could spend, but how much it would cost if you got what was actually needed. > As far as medical care goes, in the UK, the 'socialist' National Health Service that > gives care to everyone costs about �1200 ($2400) p.a. per head of population which is > a heck of a lot less than US health care costs, yet the US is forever resistant to > adopt such a scheme that has much lower costs and overheads. > You keep ignoring that the people paying for higher levels of access in America are spending the extra money *by choice*. It's also not like the NHS is something to write home about. > I don't know what the situation is in China but in India you don't get medical care > at all nor a pension when you retire. > > You can't even begin to make sensible comparisons. > ??? -- "There are some gals who don't like to be pushed and grabbed and lassoed and drug into buses in the middle of the night." "How else was I gonna get her on the bus? Well, I'm askin' ya.", George Axelrod, "Bus Stop"
From: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) on 20 May 2007 01:01 Eeyore wrote: > > "Fred G. Mackey" wrote: > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > > > > > >>The two most important reasons for the huge cost differences in the US > > >>vs countries like China and India is a place to live and medical care. > > > > > > Actually it's about basic produce like food and clothing too. > > > > > > As far as medical care goes, in the UK, the 'socialist' National Health Service that > > > gives care to everyone costs about �1200 ($2400) p.a. per head of population > which is > > a heck of a lot less than US health care costs, yet the US is forever > resistant to > > adopt such a scheme that has much lower costs and overheads. > > > > > > Too many horror stories about National Health. > > Such as ? I doubt you'll find anything happening here that doesn't happen in the USA too. > Remember when they hooked up the nitrous in place of the oxygen and killed a patient? This was even though the two are intentionally setup with incompatible hoses and couplers. Remember when they were keeping body parts without permission? > We hear horror tories about US healthcare too - like how much it costs and how it means > some ppl can't afford the most appropriate treatment ! > This is the fear in countries with nationalized health care, that they won't be able to afford it if they have to pay for it, a la the US. > Plus we don't have laws forcing us not to buy cheap generic medicines. > What are you talking about?
From: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) on 20 May 2007 01:04
"Fred G. Mackey" wrote: > > Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote: > > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > >>Jeffrey Turner wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Losing your job to someone who'll work for half the wages *so* often > >>>leads to prosperity. > >> > >>Why stop at half the wages. China and India can do it for far far less. > >> > > > > Don't the people of those countries need to live too? > > > > > > Sorry to sound crass, but that's their problem. > I think that 9/11 should have made you realize that it's all our problems, even if you don't through your own humanity care about what happens to all peoples. > Oh what? You want us to send them and make them eligible for social > security? > > Actually, we already have put many foreign countries on welfare. > > Do you know what nation contributed the greatest amount of money to > Afghanistan in 2001 was? > The United States under both Bill Clinton and George Bush contributed the most aid to Afghanistan both before and after 9/11. This was used as an attack on Bush but it's really a sign that Americans do care, as if that should have been questioned at all. > Yep - that was the US. $125 million sent to the Taliban who were > harboring Al Qaeda who was plotting to blow up the WTC. > The US didn't fund the Taliban. The US funded internationally recognized aid organizations which provided food and other help to people who were starving, freezing, etc. The US commonly does this and rarely gets the slightest credit. > Maybe, just maybe, we should put American interests ahead of Al Qaeda's > next time. > America's interests are in trying to find ways for all peoples to find a sense of place. If they have that, they are far less likely to come over the US and trying to knock down skyscrapers with stolen commercial aircraft, or whatever. -- "There are some gals who don't like to be pushed and grabbed and lassoed and drug into buses in the middle of the night." "How else was I gonna get her on the bus? Well, I'm askin' ya.", George Axelrod, "Bus Stop" |