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From: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) on 20 May 2007 13:21 Eeyore wrote: > > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > Joe the Aroma wrote: > > > > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > Jeffrey Turner wrote: > > > > >> Eeyore wrote: > > > > >> > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >>Boeing competes for its military contract sales. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Airbus describes them as 'pork barrel contracts'. > > > > >> > > > > >> Boeing has congressmembers on payroll, so they'll get contracts. > > > > >> It took a huge dust-up in 2002 (?) to keep the gov't from leasing > > > > >> tanker planes from Boeing when it was *much* cheaper to buy them. > > > > > > > > > > Exactly the kind of thing that Airbus means. There's a closer watch on > > > > > that form of intrinsic corruption in Europe. > > > > > > > > No, in Europe they just directly give them cash. > > > > > > No. Airbus gets repayable loans on which they pay interest. It's an attractive > > > rate of interest for sure that's less than they'd get from banks to be totally > > > fair. > > > > So they are being subsidized with low interest government loans? > > Is that a subsidy ? > > Are Boeing's pork-barrel military contracts a subsidy ? > Boeing's military contracts are in its military aircraft division. Boeing's commercial aircraft division has to make a profit without anything from the military division. > Maybe Boeing should 'get a life' and move on and think itself lucky it has so much > military income ? > What? You think that Boeing should drop out of commercial aircraft? Why should it do that when it's going like gangbusters selling planes like crazy? -- "There are some gals who don't like to be pushed and grabbed and lassoed and drug into buses in the middle of the night." "How else was I gonna get her on the bus? Well, I'm askin' ya.", George Axelrod, "Bus Stop"
From: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) on 20 May 2007 13:22 Eeyore wrote: > > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > > > Jeffrey Turner wrote: > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > > Jeffrey Turner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>but with Sarkozy in there things will likely get worse. > > > > > > > > What have you in mind ? > > > > > > I'm under the impression that he's in the Thatcher mold, and will be > > > doing whatever harm he can get away with to social services. > > > > You should put everything in context, the dole in France is out of > > control. So are the unions. > > How much do you actually know about the place ? > Are you saying that the new leader of France wasn't elected to deal with the out of control dole, unions, etc.?
From: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) on 20 May 2007 13:23 Eeyore wrote: > > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > > > As far as medical care goes, in the UK, the 'socialist' National Health Service that > > > gives care to everyone costs about �1200 ($2400) p.a. per head of population > which > > is a heck of a lot less than US health care costs, yet the US is forever > resistant to > > adopt such a scheme that has much lower costs and overheads. > > > > You keep ignoring that the people paying for higher levels of access in > > America are spending the extra money *by choice*. It's also not like the > > NHS is something to write home about. > > You can pay more for 'private' care in the UK too if you want to. Either by electing to > have an additional insurance policy or by paying on an ad-hoc basis. It's simply not > compulsory and most ppl go with the normal provision most of the time. > I know that.
From: Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) on 20 May 2007 13:27 Eeyore wrote: > > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > > > Eeyore wrote: > > > "Fred G. Mackey" wrote: > > > > > > > Too many horror stories about National Health. > > > > > > Such as ? I doubt you'll find anything happening here that doesn't happen in the > USA too. > > > > Remember when they hooked up the nitrous in place of the oxygen and > > killed a patient? This was even though the two are intentionally setup > > with incompatible hoses and couplers. > > Has an anaesthetist never accidentally killed a patient in the USA ? > I suspect that your 'anything' is broader than the example I gave. > > Remember when they were keeping body parts without permission? > > One doctor had organised this in one hospital for a small number of their patients. I don't see > how that would affect patient care. > "Hey, we aren't giving you your arm back." It's like a scene out of "Kill Bill". > > > We hear horror tories about US healthcare too - like how much it costs and how >it means some > > ppl can't afford the most appropriate treatment ! > > > > This is the fear in countries with nationalized health care, that they > > won't be able to afford it if they have to pay for it, a la the US. > > The US system easily doubles or trebles the cost of equivalent care. > Really? So it's no big deal to get an MRI in the UK? > > > Plus we don't have laws forcing us not to buy cheap generic medicines. > > > > > What are you talking about? > > I gather you can't import medicines into the USA from Canada for example despite them being > identical because the lower price would allegedly hurt US drug companies even though they sold > them in Canada at that lower price in the first place ! > I think that Canada has pricing regulations that keep prices lower. People do cross the border and buy meds in Canada. > In short, the US health care market is > being manipulated against the comsumers' interest. > Is limiting the amount of money companies can make with new drugs, and therefore can invest in research for even more new drugs, really in the consumers' interest? I think that all first world countries should equally share this burden. So I do think that Americans are being treated unfairly. -- "There are some gals who don't like to be pushed and grabbed and lassoed and drug into buses in the middle of the night." "How else was I gonna get her on the bus? Well, I'm askin' ya.", George Axelrod, "Bus Stop"
From: Jeffrey Turner on 20 May 2007 13:27
Eeyore wrote: > Jeffrey Turner wrote: >>Eeyore wrote: >>>Jeffrey Turner wrote: >>>>Eeyore wrote: >>>>>Jeffrey Turner wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Losing your job to someone who'll work for half the wages *so* often >>>>>>leads to prosperity. >>>>> >>>>>Why stop at half the wages. China and India can do it for far far less. >>>> >>>>It just as clearly applies to Chinese workers eventually losing their >>>>jobs to people in Burma or Nigeria thanks to "free trade." >>> >>>Only if those places have the required infrastructure and right now they don't. >>>There are education issues too. >> >>If China and India threaten to get too expensive - not likely in China >>with the gov't setting the (low) wages > > Actually I'm not sure they do. The "unions" are gov't-controlled. And gov't (and military) fat cats are the ones with ownership of the companies. The folks who are making 50 cents an hour aren't going to be doing better any time soon. >>- the infrastructure will be built elsewhere. > > With what ? IMF loans. Have to help the poor, you know. >> Education can help, but that depends on the job. >> >>Education won't help the U.S., China has more honor students than the >>U.S. has students. > > I was referring to the likes of Burma or Nigeria. They don't. Democracy will be a lot more helpful than education. --Jeff -- We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. --Franklin D. Roosevelt |