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From: Jeffrey Turner on 20 May 2007 18:21 Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote: > Jeffrey Turner wrote: >>Eeyore wrote: >>>Jeffrey Turner wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Losing your job to someone who'll work for half the wages *so* often >>>>leads to prosperity. >>> >>> >>>Why stop at half the wages. China and India can do it for far far less. >> >>It just as clearly applies to Chinese workers eventually losing their >>jobs to people in Burma or Nigeria thanks to "free trade." > > What's interesting, because that did happen already in Japan, is that > eventually you run out of dirt poor people to shift the work to and then > every group on the planet is suddenly better off. The people of Japan > aren't in a state like the people of Nigeria even though the people of > the worse world took their old jobs. But Japan never subjected itself to "free market" principles. --Jeff -- We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. --Franklin D. Roosevelt
From: Fred G. Mackey on 20 May 2007 18:43 Jeffrey Turner wrote: > Fred G. Mackey wrote: > >> Jeffrey Turner wrote: >> >>> Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote: >> >> >> >>>> >>>> We separate the owners of the company from the workers. They can be the >>>> same people but they are separated for purposes of deciding who gets to >>>> control what the company does. >>> >>> >>> But they don't always have the same interests, why shouldn't they >>> implement democracy? >> >> >> Because they don't always have the same interests. > > > That's why we'll have to send the military to bring them democracy. > It sounds like you want to bring them socialism. > --Jeff >
From: Matthew T. Russotto on 20 May 2007 18:47 In article <464FAADC.31FFF479(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >"Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: > >> Boeing competes for its military contract sales. > >Airbus describes them as 'pork barrel contracts'. That's just because they have nothing which can best them in combat. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
From: Jeffrey Turner on 20 May 2007 18:50 Fred G. Mackey wrote: > Jeffrey Turner wrote: >> Brent P wrote: >>> In article <134rmaf9jljvrb9(a)corp.supernews.com>, Jeffrey Turner wrote: >>>> Brent P wrote: >>>>> hancock4(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As to the minimum wage, there is no debate about having it. Rather, >>>>>> the debate is about the amount. There is no denial that the minimum >>>>>> wage results in some loss of jobs. But there also is no denial that >>>>>> the minimum wage increases wages for many people above and beyond >>>>>> what >>>>>> the free market would pay. >>>>> >>>>> And prices some people too high for the lowest rung of the job market, >>>>> leaving them as dependents of the government (taxpayer). >>>> >>>> But if there's work that needs doing someone will hire them and train >>>> them. >>> >>> Not when there is someone else (an illegal alien) willing to do it >>> for less >> >> Way to change the subject. Of course businesses will generally break >> the laws if they can get away with it, that is why they need to be >> policed more closely. > > And how do you propose legitimate businesses determine if their > employees are legal? > > If they pry too much, they face fines from the government. If they do > everything they legally can, they are subjected to raids where their > work-force is taken out from under them and they face multi-million > dollar losses due to lost labor and training - and this happens to > companies that pay wages well over the minimum required by law. If the employers are following all the OSHA (or whatever) regs, paying competetive (and legal) wages and making an honest effort to check IDs, I don't think they should face any penalties. The gov't goes overboard sometimes in enforcement, and the underlying problem is in NAFTA and the "free trade" regimen that caused the peso to collapse and drove Mexican farmers off their land because they couldn't compete with subsidized American corn. We need a fair trade policy. --Jeff -- We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. --Franklin D. Roosevelt
From: Jeffrey Turner on 20 May 2007 18:55
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote: > > Eeyore wrote: > >>Jeffrey Turner wrote: >> >> >>>Eeyore wrote: >>> >>>>"Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Boeing competes for its military contract sales. >>>> >>>>Airbus describes them as 'pork barrel contracts'. >>> >>>Boeing has congressmembers on payroll, so they'll get contracts. >>>It took a huge dust-up in 2002 (?) to keep the gov't from leasing >>>tanker planes from Boeing when it was *much* cheaper to buy them. >> >>Exactly the kind of thing that Airbus means. There's a closer watch on that form >>of intrinsic corruption in Europe. >> > > 1) The lease didn't happen. Only because of a lot of publicity. > 2) It's the military division, although it was military version of their > commercial aircraft. > 3) Boeing's commercial division has to make a profit or why have it? You're so eager to separate the two, but you admit they share designs, which is a major cost in the industry. --Jeff -- We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. --Franklin D. Roosevelt |