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From: Free Lunch on 20 May 2007 19:07 On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:24:23 -0700, in misc.transport.road "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" <tributyltinpaint(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in <46509257.BC4845BA(a)yahoo.co.uk>: > > >Jeffrey Turner wrote: >> >> Eeyore wrote: >> > "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: >> > >> > >> >>Boeing competes for its military contract sales. >> > >> > Airbus describes them as 'pork barrel contracts'. >> >> Boeing has congressmembers on payroll, so they'll get contracts. >> It took a huge dust-up in 2002 (?) to keep the gov't from leasing >> tanker planes from Boeing when it was *much* cheaper to buy them. >> >The idea was to pay for them over a number of years in a lease >arrangement and reduce the upfront costs. How could Boeing offer better rates than the US Treasury can borrow? That was the problem.
From: Jeffrey Turner on 20 May 2007 19:12 Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote: > > Jeffrey Turner wrote: > >>Eeyore wrote: >> >>>"Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Boeing competes for its military contract sales. >>> >>>Airbus describes them as 'pork barrel contracts'. >> >>Boeing has congressmembers on payroll, so they'll get contracts. >>It took a huge dust-up in 2002 (?) to keep the gov't from leasing >>tanker planes from Boeing when it was *much* cheaper to buy them. > > The idea was to pay for them over a number of years in a lease > arrangement and reduce the upfront costs. That wasn't even close to the idea. The Air Force wanted to upgrade without going into their procurement budget. The planes would have taken ten years to produce, so the costs would have been spread out in any case. http://www.pogo.org/p/contracts/co-020507-boeing.html --Jeff -- We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. --Franklin D. Roosevelt
From: Free Lunch on 20 May 2007 19:33 On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:12:03 -0400, in misc.transport.road Jeffrey Turner <jturner(a)localnet.com> wrote in <1351le4dnc2k148(a)corp.supernews.com>: >Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote: > >> >> Jeffrey Turner wrote: >> >>>Eeyore wrote: >>> >>>>"Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Boeing competes for its military contract sales. >>>> >>>>Airbus describes them as 'pork barrel contracts'. >>> >>>Boeing has congressmembers on payroll, so they'll get contracts. >>>It took a huge dust-up in 2002 (?) to keep the gov't from leasing >>>tanker planes from Boeing when it was *much* cheaper to buy them. >> >> The idea was to pay for them over a number of years in a lease >> arrangement and reduce the upfront costs. > >That wasn't even close to the idea. The Air Force wanted to upgrade >without going into their procurement budget. The planes would have >taken ten years to produce, so the costs would have been spread out in >any case. > >http://www.pogo.org/p/contracts/co-020507-boeing.html So they were just trying to break the law. Thanks.
From: Rudy Canoza on 20 May 2007 19:50 Fred G. Mackey wrote: > Eeyore wrote: >> >> "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" wrote: >> >> >>> Eeyore wrote: >>> >>> >>>> As far as medical care goes, in the UK, the 'socialist' National >>>> Health Service that >>>> gives care to everyone costs about �1200 ($2400) p.a. per head of >>>> population > which >>> >>> is a heck of a lot less than US health care costs, yet the US is >>> forever > resistant to >>> adopt such a scheme that has much lower costs and overheads. >>> >>> You keep ignoring that the people paying for higher levels of access in >>> America are spending the extra money *by choice*. It's also not like the >>> NHS is something to write home about. >> >> >> You can pay more for 'private' care in the UK too if you want to. >> Either by electing to >> have an additional insurance policy or by paying on an ad-hoc basis. >> It's simply not >> compulsory and most ppl go with the normal provision most of the time. >> > > But the ones who can afford it, do get private insurance. That's > telling, isn't it? The most telling thing was back in the early 1990s, when the premier of Quebec, Robert Bourassa, came to the U.S. for cancer treatment. At that time, and maybe still, Canada *prohibited* its citizens from having supplemental health insurance. They took their egalitarianism to an absurd extent, wanting rich and poor, governors and governed, to die before getting treatment.
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:41:55 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( 'Ho high' )" <tributyltinpaint(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >*, US, * wrote: >> On Sun, 20 May 2007 05:10:00 GMT, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza(a)excite.com> wrote: >> >> >in the U.S... >> >> People have to pay more for inferior healthcare. >> >... look at the level of health care people >in America have who have decent insurance. They pay more for inferior healthcare. |