From: * US on
On Mon, 21 May 2007 05:32:56 GMT, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza(a)excite.com> wrote:

>... on wait times ...

Uninsured Americans get to wait until they die.

" Nearly half of all uninsured, non-elderly adults report having a chronic condition.�
Many uninsured adults with chronic conditions do not have a usual source for health care.
� Almost half of uninsured adults with chronic conditions forgo needed medical care or
prescription drugs, due to cost.� Uninsured adults with chronic conditions forgo needed
medical care and prescription drugs at much higher rates than their insured counterparts.�
Chronically ill, uninsured adults are far less likely to visit a health professional than
their insured counterparts.� Uninsured adults with common chronic conditions (diabetes,
hypertension, arthritis-related conditions, high cholesterol, asthma, and heart disease)
suffer serious,identifiable gaps in needed medical care."

www.urban.org/uploadedpdf/411161_uninsured_americans.pdf
From: * US on
On Mon, 21 May 2007 05:32:56 GMT, Rudy Canoza <rudy-canoza(a)excite.com> wrote:

>... on wait times ...

Uninsured Americans get to wait until they die.

" Nearly half of all uninsured, non-elderly adults report having a chronic condition.�
Many uninsured adults with chronic conditions do not have a usual source for health care.
� Almost half of uninsured adults with chronic conditions forgo needed medical care or
prescription drugs, due to cost.� Uninsured adults with chronic conditions forgo needed
medical care and prescription drugs at much higher rates than their insured counterparts.�
Chronically ill, uninsured adults are far less likely to visit a health professional than
their insured counterparts.� Uninsured adults with common chronic conditions (diabetes,
hypertension, arthritis-related conditions, high cholesterol, asthma, and heart disease)
suffer serious,identifiable gaps in needed medical care."

www.urban.org/uploadedpdf/411161_uninsured_americans.pdf


They're already confronted with environmental toxins
and a lack of nourishment, too.
From: Floyd Rogers on
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote
> Joe the Aroma wrote:
>> No, in Europe they just directly give them cash.
>
> No. Airbus gets repayable loans on which they pay interest. It's an
> attractive
> rate of interest for sure that's less than they'd get from banks to be
> totally
> fair.

Actually, Graham, France *DID* give Airbus cash. The French
government owns 15% of EADS, so it did indeed give them cash
when the stock was issued.

FloydR


From: Jeffrey Turner on
Eeyore wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>Eeyore wrote:
>>>Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>If China and India threaten to get too expensive - not likely in China
>>>>with the gov't setting the (low) wages
>>>
>>>Actually I'm not sure they do.
>>
>>The "unions" are gov't-controlled. And gov't (and military) fat cats
>>are the ones with ownership of the companies.
>
> No. What gave you that idea ?

Global consumers buying $25 Chinese-made DVD players usually assume
Chinese labor is cheap because the country has a limitless supply of
poor workers. But the morally cumbersome truth is that the Chinese
government systematically prevents workers from being paid the full
value of their labor. Chinese workers can join several state-controlled
unions, but since the state and politically connected clans, or
families, own most of the Chinese economy, official union
representatives who work too zealously first get a warning smack on the
wrist--then worse. Ask Kong Youping. After Kong, a trade union official
in Liaoyang, raised the ire of local officials by fighting doggedly for
the rights of recently laid-off workers, he was sentenced to fifteen
years in prison.

http://www.thenation.com/docprem.mhtml?i=20070604&s=pocha

--
We know now that Government by
organized money is just as dangerous
as Government by organized mob.
--Franklin D. Roosevelt
From: Jeffrey Turner on
Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
>>>Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
>>>>>Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>>>Eeyore wrote:
>>>>>>>Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Losing your job to someone who'll work for half the wages *so* often
>>>>>>>>leads to prosperity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why stop at half the wages. China and India can do it for far far less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It just as clearly applies to Chinese workers eventually losing their
>>>>>>jobs to people in Burma or Nigeria thanks to "free trade."
>>>>>
>>>>>What's interesting, because that did happen already in Japan, is that
>>>>>eventually you run out of dirt poor people to shift the work to and then
>>>>>every group on the planet is suddenly better off. The people of Japan
>>>>>aren't in a state like the people of Nigeria even though the people of
>>>>>the worse world took their old jobs.
>>>>
>>>>But Japan never subjected itself to "free market" principles.
>>>
>>>Within Japan, you are correct the economy is pretty controlled. And
>>>you'll notice they've had serious problems.
>>
>>Not as serious as "free trade" countries like Mexico and Peru.
>>Argentina had so much "free market" they had to close the banks.
>
> Argentina hardly had a free market since their money wasn't floating.

Mexico's currency was floating, and their economy sank. Clinton had
to bail out American bankers.

--Jeff

--
We know now that Government by
organized money is just as dangerous
as Government by organized mob.
--Franklin D. Roosevelt