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From: Rudy Canoza on 30 May 2007 15:00 On May 30, 5:37 am, Jeffrey Turner <jtur...(a)localnet.com> wrote: > Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Turner wrote: > > >>Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote: > > >>>>And what do Chrysler's new owners know about the automobile > >>>>industry that Chrysler's automotive engineers don't? > > >>>It's not clear to me that the owners know a thing about any part of the > >>>subject. What is clear to me is that they own the company and therefore > >>>they can run it into the ground if that's what they want to do with it. > > >>That's all well and good except for the people whose lives depend on > >>that company. That's why your support of dictatorial owners is > >>unacceptable. Democracy is necessary. > > > I support private property, evidently you do not. > > I support private property. I just don't think that a large corporation > is private. No, you don't, jeffy. You have no coherent rule for when property that was private stops being private. The ownership of large corporations is, indeed, private, and there is no legitimate legal or moral rationale for abrogating the rights of ownership just because the company has done an excellent job and grown. > >>>>>>>he's not an expert on marketing, he's not > > >>>>>>The marketing department are workers. > > >>>>>>>got a degree in business management. > > >>>>>>Nor do the owners, for the most part. > > >>>>>The owners are the shareholders. I suspect that the CEO and the board > >>>>>does indeed education in business administration. > > >>>>Boards of directors have no such requirements. > > >>>I suspect that most people on major corporation board of directors have > >>>degrees in relevant subjects. > > >>I think they've got syphillis. > > > Why do you think that? > > Because I've got as much evidence as you. You have zero evidence for any of your crackpot beliefs. > >>>>>>>Certainly the workers should be > >>>>>>>listened to but different people have different capabilities. > > >>>>>>That's why I recommend democracy, so that everyone can speak to his or > >>>>>>her own expertise. > > >>>>>OTOH, I advocate freedom and the right to own property. > > >>>>Freedom for the one person at the top. > > >>>He's not necessarily the owner. CEOs get fired too, you know. > > >>With golden parachutes. > > > That's sometimes the case. > > >>>>>>>The owners > >>>>>>>of the company should decide who makes the big, the "executive", > >>>>>>>decisions. If workers want to buy companies, which they can with a > >>>>>>>public company by just buying shares until they control, I've no trouble > >>>>>>>at all with that. Go for it. > > >>>>>>Democracy is just a way to ensure that everyone gets listened to, which > >>>>>>you concede is a good idea anyway. > > >>>>>I would hope that if we were explaining our views on this, people would > >>>>>listen to me more than you. > > >>>>I suspect you might. > > >>>Because if they listen to you, they will support reducing personal > >>>freedom. I don't like that. > > >>Reducing personal freedom for the one person at the top, while > >>increasing it for everyone else. I suppose the Magna Carta decreased > >>the freedom of the English king too. > > > Being a king is about owning people, owning a sovereign. I don't support > > that. Owning property is what I'm talking about. The freedom to start a > > business, to make a profit. > > You can still start a business and make a profit, you just can't run it > as a dictatorship. Yes, you can. You have to obey the laws, but internally, you most certainly can and may run it as a dictatorship. So-called "stakeholders" have interests that any rational business owner will consider, but he is not *legally* or ethically bound to allow them to "vote" in the running of the company.
From: Ian MacLure on 3 Jun 2007 00:32
"Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" <tributyltinpaint(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:4661C7D0.9F72952D(a)yahoo.co.uk: [snip] > What does it take to pot shot the Green Zone? A mortar is hard to miss > with when the target is that big. It would be nice if the US had got > those laser systems ready so it could shoot that sort of thing down. They have modified naval Phalanx CIWS systems in the Green Zone. It was discovered at one point they have no trouble taking out artillery shells and mortar rounds down to 81mm. As to mortaring of the Green Zone apparently the typical attack consists of a bunch of guys dragging a mortar tube out of the back of their Toyota ( no base plate, bipod or sights ) and popping off a few rounds in the general direction of the Zone. The idea os to do their dirt then beat feet before retribution shows up. Gas here, by the way, is $3.19. Thats down some $0.07 since last week. IBM |