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From: boltar2003 on 12 Apr 2010 09:27 On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >As my head probably twisted anyway, as I went on to explain, I doubt >that it would have made any difference. I have fallen off a motor bike >in a big way wearing a crash helmet, and also had a couple of big car >rallying accidents wearing a helmet without injuring my neck in any >way. I have also had several whiplash type injuries to my neck in >accidents when I was not wearing a helmet. Only 2% of cyclists >involved in accidents have significant neck injuries (DfT road >accident statistics). You seem to have a lot of accidents. Let us know when you're out on the road again so we can avoid the area. B2003
From: Derek C on 12 Apr 2010 09:42 On Apr 12, 2:27 pm, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: > On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:40:25 -0700 (PDT) > > Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >As my head probably twisted anyway, as I went on to explain, I doubt > >that it would have made any difference. I have fallen off a motor bike > >in a big way wearing a crash helmet, and also had a couple of big car > >rallying accidents wearing a helmet without injuring my neck in any > >way. I have also had several whiplash type injuries to my neck in > >accidents when I was not wearing a helmet. Only 2% of cyclists > >involved in accidents have significant neck injuries (DfT road > >accident statistics). > > You seem to have a lot of accidents. Let us know when you're out on the > road again so we can avoid the area. Well I have been around for over sixty years! I do have a clean driving licence (and a cycling proficiency certificate) BTW. Derek C
From: Roland Perry on 12 Apr 2010 09:48 In message <5a980647-f472-4372-bc62-3e15f7fe8217(a)35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, at 06:19:06 on Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> remarked: >So would a more spherical design satisfy the psycholist critics of >helmets? It would reduce the potential for "neck injury" speculation, but be significantly more awkward to wear, I suspect. >All cyclists taking part in bicycle races and triathlons wear helmets, Very small part of the market. >and I would estimate that nearly half of the bike commuters in Greater >London also do so. A very fashion-conscious part of the market. Go to Cambridge and see whether the majority of cyclists there wear a helmet. But none of that helps the statistics. If almost all the 2% of cyclists suffering neck injuries were wearing helmets, that would surely indicate a problem? -- Roland Perry
From: Derek C on 12 Apr 2010 10:16 On Apr 12, 2:48 pm, Roland Perry <rol...(a)perry.co.uk> wrote: > In message > <5a980647-f472-4372-bc62-3e15f7fe8...(a)35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, at > 06:19:06 on Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> > remarked: > > >So would a more spherical design satisfy the psycholist critics of > >helmets? > > It would reduce the potential for "neck injury" speculation, but be > significantly more awkward to wear, I suspect. > > >All cyclists taking part in bicycle races and triathlons wear helmets, > > Very small part of the market. > > >and I would estimate that nearly half of the bike commuters in Greater > >London also do so. > > A very fashion-conscious part of the market. Go to Cambridge and see > whether the majority of cyclists there wear a helmet. > > But none of that helps the statistics. If almost all the 2% of cyclists > suffering neck injuries were wearing helmets, that would surely indicate > a problem? > -- If you have a head on collision with an HGV, you are quite likely to suffer a neck injury, whether or not you are wearing a helmet, or whether or not you also fracture your skull! Even if neck injuries where suffered only by the 50% of cyclists who wear helmets, that would still only be 4% and equally/more serious head injuries would be significantly reduced. Derek C
From: Roland Perry on 12 Apr 2010 10:41
In message <182ba031-610d-4671-8199-071d8ef59599(a)z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, at 07:16:23 on Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> remarked: >> But none of that helps the statistics. If almost all the 2% of cyclists >> suffering neck injuries were wearing helmets, that would surely indicate >> a problem? >> -- >If you have a head on collision with an HGV, you are quite likely to >suffer a neck injury, whether or not you are wearing a helmet, or >whether or not you also fracture your skull! Do they "tick boxes" for multiple forms of injury in the stats? >Even if neck injuries where suffered only by the 50% of cyclists who >wear helmets, that would still only be 4% and equally/more serious head >injuries would be significantly reduced. I can't see how you deduce that. -- Roland Perry |