From: Derek C on
On 12 Apr, 21:10, Roland Perry <rol...(a)perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message
> <0942b120-74cc-4aa5-b36e-301e47e8b...(a)q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, at
> 12:59:41 on Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk>
> remarked:
>
> >> >> They may reduce some cases of "severe bruising" to "less severe
> >> >> bruising", but that's not the injuries referred to.
>
> >They might also reduce a fractured skull to just bruising or mild
> >concussion.
>
> With a toy helmet - most unlikely.
>
> >> >I think you are underestimating the protection offered by cycle
> >> >helmets. They are not "toys" but properly tested items of safety
> >> >equipment.
>
> >> No, you are overestimating their effectiveness.
> >I am not stopping you from riding bare headed and risking serious head
> >injury, if that is what you want to do.
>
> And you can ride with a helmet and risk motorists paying you less
> attention because you are "protected".
> --
As a motorist, cyclists are just cyclists to me and I can't say that I
notice if they are wearing helmets or not. I certainly don't
deliberately overtake them any more closely if they are wearing
helmets. Maybe the cyclists who are wearing helmets just ride further
out into the centre of the road, although I can't say that I do that
as a cyclist myself.

Derek C



From: Tony Dragon on
Roland Perry wrote:
> In message
> <0942b120-74cc-4aa5-b36e-301e47e8b700(a)q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, at
> 12:59:41 on Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk>
> remarked:
>>> >> They may reduce some cases of "severe bruising" to "less severe
>>> >> bruising", but that's not the injuries referred to.
>>
>> They might also reduce a fractured skull to just bruising or mild
>> concussion.
>
> With a toy helmet - most unlikely.
>
>>> >I think you are underestimating the protection offered by cycle
>>> >helmets. They are not "toys" but properly tested items of safety
>>> >equipment.
>>>
>>> No, you are overestimating their effectiveness.
>
>> I am not stopping you from riding bare headed and risking serious head
>> injury, if that is what you want to do.
>
> And you can ride with a helmet and risk motorists paying you less
> attention because you are "protected".

Why would I, as a motorist think such a thing?

--
Tony Dragon
From: David Hansen on
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:13:52 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Derek C
<del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote this:-

>I certainly don't
>deliberately overtake them any more closely if they are wearing
>helmets.

Perhaps you don't, consciously.


--
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From: JMS jmsmith2010 on
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:12:48 +0100, Roland Perry <roland(a)perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message
><fd225ab5-d2c9-4c6a-82ed-82eaf83a7800(a)z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, at
>12:00:25 on Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk>
>remarked:
>>> The arithmetic I could work out, thanks very much. What I can't see is
>>> why the arithmetic leads to the conclusion that "[other] serious head
>>> injuries would be significantly reduced".
>>
>>So wearing padded protection on your head won't reduce head injuries?
>>Not very likely is it?
>
>I agree, a toy helmet such as most cyclists wear isn't going to be much
>use for the majority of impacts that could be classified as "liable to
>cause serious head injuries".
>
>They may reduce some cases of "severe bruising" to "less severe
>bruising", but that's not the injuries referred to.


A simple question for you:

Do you think that the wearing of a cycle helmet - by the average
cyclist - will most likely reduce or increase the level of injury if
they are involved in an accident?



From: Roland Perry on
In message
<0f7803a9-a5cf-48d2-91b7-e8f14bb0c8e8(a)c21g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, at
14:13:52 on Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk>
remarked:
>On 12 Apr, 21:10, Roland Perry <rol...(a)perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message
>> <0942b120-74cc-4aa5-b36e-301e47e8b...(a)q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, at
>> 12:59:41 on Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk>
>> remarked:
>>
>> >> >> They may reduce some cases of "severe bruising" to "less severe
>> >> >> bruising", but that's not the injuries referred to.
>>
>> >They might also reduce a fractured skull to just bruising or mild
>> >concussion.
>>
>> With a toy helmet - most unlikely.
>>
>> >> >I think you are underestimating the protection offered by cycle
>> >> >helmets. They are not "toys" but properly tested items of safety
>> >> >equipment.
>>
>> >> No, you are overestimating their effectiveness.
>> >I am not stopping you from riding bare headed and risking serious head
>> >injury, if that is what you want to do.
>>
>> And you can ride with a helmet and risk motorists paying you less
>> attention because you are "protected".
>> --
>As a motorist, cyclists are just cyclists to me and I can't say that I
>notice if they are wearing helmets or not. I certainly don't
>deliberately overtake them any more closely if they are wearing
>helmets.

Then you aren't typical.

--
Roland Perry