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From: Nick Finnigan on 14 Apr 2010 12:49 Roland Perry wrote: > In message <hq2krq$9vp$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 21:40:17 on > Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> remarked: >> Roland Perry wrote: >>> I'm not claiming a conscious complete lack of caution/respect; >>> rather that a more vulnerable-looking cyclist is likely to be given >>> slightly more caution/respect. The corollary of which is that the >>> less-vulnerable-looking will be given relatively less caution/respect. >>> Or are you claiming that motorists won't give more >>> vulnerable-looking cyclists more caution/respect? >> >> In general, competent looking, considerate road users will get more >> respect. I'm sure that motorcyclists overtake me in circumstances >> where they would not pass more dozy looking road users. > > You are using "respect" with a different meaning. I am implying > "caution", you are implying "trusting". I am implying appreciation / regard / esteem, the normal meaning of 'giving respect to someone'. Road users will tend follow dozy looking road users more closely than they will competent looking ones, but I don't know how that fits into your interpretation of 'caution'.
From: ke10 on 14 Apr 2010 12:58 In article <hq4rmt$gf1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > > I am implying appreciation / regard / esteem, the normal meaning of >'giving respect to someone'. > > Road users will tend follow dozy looking road users more closely than >they will competent looking ones, Really? That's the exact reverse of what I do - and I should have thought many other responsible drivers would do. Our business is to get to where we're going without an accident, not to hassle people for being dozy. As a driver, I stay well back from a wobbly cyclist, for instance. I hope it's not just a gender difference. Katy
From: john wright on 14 Apr 2010 13:04 On 14/04/2010 17:07, Roland Perry wrote: > In message <5ejbs5hn6ftv6scl6sl8r0814dns6nm08n(a)4ax.com>, at 15:18:35 on > Wed, 14 Apr 2010, JMS remarked: >> why do you not point out a single credible paper which supports >> your view? > > Why the obsession that everything in life has to be proved in a "paper"? I think JMS is using the standard abbreviation for a "published piece of peer reviewed research". -- John Wright Use your imagination Marvin! Life's bad enough as it is - why invent any more of it.
From: Tony Dragon on 14 Apr 2010 14:04 Roland Perry wrote: > In message <Xs2dnUl405ZoUlnWnZ2dnUVZ8qVi4p2d(a)bt.com>, at 21:11:32 on > Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> remarked: >>> But you also probably aren't one of those motorists who thinks >>> "there's a cyclist in the road, why isn't he on the shared-use >>> pavement where he belongs". >> >> Obviously I am not, > > But a lot of them are. > >> but equally obviously the first thing I see is the cyclist, not >> whether he is wearing a helmet or not. > > I think that subconsciously you probably do, but it doesn't matter > because you aren't representative of the motorists I'm talking about. So we will agree to differ, as neither of us will change our stance. -- Tony Dragon
From: john wright on 14 Apr 2010 14:08
On 14/04/2010 17:58, ke10(a)cam.ac.uk wrote: > In article<hq4rmt$gf1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > Nick Finnigan<nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: >> >> I am implying appreciation / regard / esteem, the normal meaning of >> 'giving respect to someone'. >> >> Road users will tend follow dozy looking road users more closely than >> they will competent looking ones, > > Really? That's the exact reverse of what I do - and I should have thought many > other responsible drivers would do. Our business is to get to where we're > going without an accident, not to hassle people for being dozy. > > As a driver, I stay well back from a wobbly cyclist, for instance. > > I hope it's not just a gender difference. > > Katy I think its generally recognised that males are more agressive than females in most areas. As an ex-gliding instructor I would concur with that. I don't hang back but I do give a wide berth, but that's just me. On a related topic one is lead to wonder whether the higher rate of death amongst female cyclists in London is a statistical blip (it could be...) or a real effect. -- John Wright Use your imagination Marvin! Life's bad enough as it is - why invent any more of it. |