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From: Roland Perry on 28 Apr 2010 12:43 In message <hr7obc$ulh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 23:26:51 on Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> remarked: >Roland Perry wrote: >> In message <hr7d2g$bsb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 20:14:23 on >>Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> remarked: >> >>> Nobody drives faster (other than when cornering) if they get a car >>>with better brakes and better handling. Hardly anyone would corner >>>faster. >> This is an observation from your own experience as a driver? > > Yes, hardly anyone drives close to limits of performance. That doesn't answer the question. Given a better car people will unconsciously drive faster because the car's limit is faster, and it doesn't feel like they are going so fast. >> It's directly at variance with my own observations. > > How many cars do you see being driven anything like a motorbike? Thankfully, not very many. -- Roland Perry
From: Roland Perry on 28 Apr 2010 12:44 In message <hr7oqm$1up$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 23:35:00 on Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> remarked: >>> Nobody drives faster (other than when cornering) if they get a car >>>with better brakes and better handling. Hardly anyone would corner >>>faster. >> I do... > > How much does your peak speed increase in free moving traffic on a >straight road with a 30mph limit in a car with better handling? Why? Straw man. Now take that car out on an open road and try claiming "no-one" will drive faster. -- Roland Perry
From: Nick Finnigan on 28 Apr 2010 15:36 Mike Clark wrote: > In message <hr7obc$ulh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> > Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > >> Roland Perry wrote: >>> In message <hr7d2g$bsb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 20:14:23 on >>> Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> remarked: >>> >>>> Nobody drives faster (other than when cornering) if they get a car >>>> with better brakes and better handling. Hardly anyone would corner >>>> faster. >>> This is an observation from your own experience as a driver? >> Yes, hardly anyone drives close to limits of performance. > > Who mentioned anything about close to the limits of performance? Why else did you suggest better handling/brakes means faster? > I might only be driving the vehicle at 50% or maybe less of its limits > performance, but that doesn't mean that I don't drive different vehicles > at different speeds. Yes, the ride, gearing and size of a vehicle can affect the choice of speed well within performance limits.
From: Nick Finnigan on 28 Apr 2010 15:36 Roland Perry wrote: > In message <hr7oqm$1up$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 23:35:00 on > Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> remarked: >>>> Nobody drives faster (other than when cornering) if they get a car >>>> with better brakes and better handling. Hardly anyone would corner >>>> faster. >>> I do... >> >> How much does your peak speed increase in free moving traffic on a >> straight road with a 30mph limit in a car with better handling? Why? > > Straw man. Now take that car out on an open road and try claiming > "no-one" will drive faster. How much does your peak speed increase in free moving traffic on a straight section of open road in a car with better handling? Why?
From: Nick Finnigan on 28 Apr 2010 15:36
Peter Clinch wrote: > Nick Finnigan wrote: >> Peter Clinch wrote: >>> Nick Finnigan wrote: >>> >>>> Nobody drives faster (other than when cornering) if they get a car >>>> with better brakes and better handling. Hardly anyone would corner >>>> faster. >>> I do... >> How much does your peak speed increase in free moving traffic on a >> straight road with a 30mph limit in a car with better handling? Why? > > But that isn't the only option from your first assertion, so it's not > reasonable to put your new, narrower goalposts down now. On a straight road with a 40mph limit? On a straight motorway? On a straight NSL dual carriageway? > Driving a better handling car along, say, the A93 between Spittle and > Braemar (which is tremendous fun, a sort of tarmac rollercoaster) > there's plenty where you can't get anywhere close to the legal limit, > but I'll get closer to it in a better car. Because I can, because it's fun. Are you claiming it is a roller coaster with no corners? |