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From: Nick Finnigan on 28 Apr 2010 15:41 Roland Perry wrote: > In message <hr7obc$ulh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 23:26:51 on > Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> remarked: >> Roland Perry wrote: >>> In message <hr7d2g$bsb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 20:14:23 on >>> Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> remarked: >>> >>>> Nobody drives faster (other than when cornering) if they get a car >>>> with better brakes and better handling. Hardly anyone would corner >>>> faster. >>> This is an observation from your own experience as a driver? >> >> Yes, hardly anyone drives close to limits of performance. > > That doesn't answer the question. Given a better car people will > unconsciously drive faster because the car's limit is faster, and it > doesn't feel like they are going so fast. Better ride, better soundproofing, lower gearing, better engine may make it feel like they are not going so fast. Better brakes don't; you should be able to tell when you are cornering faster because the handling is better.
From: Nick Finnigan on 28 Apr 2010 15:43 Mike Clark wrote: > In message <hr7d2g$bsb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> > Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > >> Mike Clark wrote: >> Nobody drives faster (other than when cornering) if they get a car with >> better brakes and better handling. Hardly anyone would corner faster. >> The few that do corner faster will be safer than those that don't. >> > > I certainly do. There is simply no way that I would have driven my 1954 > Morris Cowley into corners the same way that I do in my Subaru Forester. Subaru drivers are prime candidates for my hardly anyone category
From: Adrian on 28 Apr 2010 15:51 Roland Perry <roland(a)perry.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> Yes, hardly anyone drives close to limits of performance. > That doesn't answer the question. Given a better car people will > unconsciously drive faster because the car's limit is faster, and it > doesn't feel like they are going so fast. Hmm. I don't necessarily equate "better car" with "faster". Some of the best cars I've ever driven - in terms of involvement/feedback/feel - have been dog slow, and some of the blandest have been quick.
From: Roland Perry on 28 Apr 2010 16:12 In message <83rhupFmr5U1(a)mid.individual.net>, at 19:51:53 on Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> remarked: >>> Yes, hardly anyone drives close to limits of performance. > >> That doesn't answer the question. Given a better car people will >> unconsciously drive faster because the car's limit is faster, and it >> doesn't feel like they are going so fast. > >Hmm. I don't necessarily equate "better car" with "faster". True, although in this case we do mean "improved brakes and handling" not "more expensive leather for the seats". >Some of the best cars I've ever driven - in terms of >involvement/feedback/feel - have been dog slow, and some of the >blandest have been quick. The car I owned with the best handling (a Lotus) also had one of the lowest maximum speeds. Something to do with the gearing. But the other side of the coin was that it did 0-60 very quickly! -- Roland Perry
From: Roland Perry on 28 Apr 2010 16:08
In message <hra30q$tu3$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, at 20:41:11 on Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> remarked: >>>>> Nobody drives faster (other than when cornering) if they get a car >>>>>with better brakes and better handling. Hardly anyone would corner >>>>>faster. >>>> This is an observation from your own experience as a driver? >>> >>> Yes, hardly anyone drives close to limits of performance. >> That doesn't answer the question. Given a better car people will >>unconsciously drive faster because the car's limit is faster, and it >>doesn't feel like they are going so fast. > > Better ride, better soundproofing, lower gearing, better engine may >make it feel like they are not going so fast. In other words, people will travel faster because it feels the same as the slower speed they are used to. >Better brakes don't; Better brakes (which you can tell as soon as you've used them a couple of times) also encourage faster speeds. Try swapping from a classic Landrover to a Range Rover, and you'll soon discover the brakes are hugely better and therefore you don't need to plan your stopping trajectory quite as assiduously. >you should be able to tell when you are cornering faster because the >handling is better. The other way round, better handling masks the speed. -- Roland Perry |