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From: Derek C on 1 May 2010 13:11
On May 1, 5:26 pm, JMS <jmsmith2...(a)live.co.uk > wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:40:13 +0100, Peter Clinch
> <p.j.cli...(a)dundee.ac.uk> wrote:
> >boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote:
> >> I don't remember ever seeing a pedestrian fall over so badly they've been
> >> hospitalised , but it happens all the time with cyclists.
> >Annual rate of deaths from trips and falls in the UK is about 350 IIRC.
> >Go into your local A&E department and ask them if they ever have folk in
> >with head injuries from trips and falls.
> >> Well unless you cycle under bridges with a tolerance of 1cm above your head
> >> that so what?
> >A bigger, heavier head is easier to hit. For instance, harder to keep
> >up off the road (as you instinctively do) if you've just fallen.
> >> Well I guess in that case motorcyclists shouldn't wear their even thicker
> >> helmets then.
> >Where helmet laws have been repealed in some US states there hasn't been
> >any evident worsening of the head injury rates.
> You are a liar and a fool Clinch:
> On July 1 2000, the State of Florida exempted adult motorcyclist and
> moped riders from wearing
> helmets provided they have medical insurance of $10 000. Monthly time
> series of motorcycle
> occupant deaths are examined from 1/1994 to 12/2001. The interrupted
> time series analysis
> estimates a 48.6% increase in motorcycle occupant deaths the year
> after the law change.
> Motorcycle crash-related injuries,
> fatalities, and fatality rates increased
> in Kentucky (1998) and
> Louisiana (1999) following the
> weakening of their helmet laws
> covering all riders.
> Arkansas EMS data showed an
> increase in the number of motorcyclists with head injuries. Texas
> Trauma Registry data showed
> that the proportion of cases involving head injury increased and that
> the cost per case of
> head injury increased substantially after the law change. Arkansas
> motorcycle operator fatalities
> increased by 21 percent comparing 1998 with 1996. Texas motorcycle
> operator fatalities increased
> by 31 percent comparing 1998 with 1996.
> An analysis of federal motorcycle crash statistics done by the
> newspaper Florida Today found
> "unhelmeted" deaths in Florida rose from 22 in 1998 and 1999, the
> years before the helmet law
> repeal, to 250 in 2004, the most recent year of available data.
> Total motorcycle deaths in the state have increased 67 percent, from
> 259 in 2000 to 432 in 2004,
> according to National Highway
> "wearing helmets can sometimes increase the chance of a cyclist being
> involved in an accident."
> That august body The CTC
> (They've already had a slap for lying by the ASA)- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
From: Peter Clinch on 1 May 2010 15:08
Derek C wrote:
> On May 1, 5:26 pm, JMS <jmsmith2...(a)live.co.uk > wrote:
> Nice one!
Check out Judith's posting record. If you really want to believe
her on cycling matters when almost her entire posting history here
amounts to anthill kicking then it's your perogative, but more fool
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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From: Steve Firth on 1 May 2010 15:16
Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk> wrote:
> Check out Judith's posting record.
While you're at it, check out Peter Clinch's posting record when it
comes to individuals who dare to disagree with him.
From: DavidR on 1 May 2010 15:52
"Derek C" <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote
> But the CTC and psycholists in general seem to be against using cycle
> lanes and cycle paths, as well as wearing cycle helmets!
Is every person that rides a bike but doesn't conform to Your Ways a
You have been spouting forth here for ages and refuse to acknowledge any
contrary view or argument. You are a "fool".
From: JMS jmsmith2010 on 1 May 2010 18:55
On Sat, 01 May 2010 20:08:17 +0100, Peter Clinch
>Derek C wrote:
>> On May 1, 5:26 pm, JMS <jmsmith2...(a)live.co.uk > wrote:
>> Nice one!
>Check out Judith's posting record. If you really want to believe
>her on cycling matters when almost her entire posting history here
>amounts to anthill kicking then it's your perogative, but more fool
So are you suggesting I have fabricated those quotes?
As I said : a fool and a liar.
(Do your brats wear cycle helmets?)
"wearing helmets can sometimes increase the chance of a cyclist being
involved in an accident."
That august body The CTC
(They've already had a slap for lying by the ASA)