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From: bugbear on 21 May 2010 09:28 boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 13:18:55 +0100 > Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk> wrote: >>> Perhaps it should be investigated whether hard >>> hats are of any use when a brick fall on your head or whether they caused >>> the brick to fall? >> Some research has shown that overtaking is closer for helmeted riders >> than unhelmeted riders. On urc in the past someone reported an incident >> where they were reprimanded by a driver for not wearing a helmet, as if >> he had she'd have been able to squeeze past him "safely" instead of >> having to wait for a proper overtaking opportunity. > > Oh right, so now its car drivers getting to close to blame. A minute ago > it was the helmet itself. Make your mind up. http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#middle BugBear
From: bugbear on 21 May 2010 09:31 boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 12:27:58 +0100 > Brian Morrison <bdm(a)fenrir.org.uk> wrote: >> And yet there will be other minor types of accident where the >> intervention of the helmet will lead to greater injury because in those >> particular cases the geometry and dynamics of the impact happen to >> produce greater rotational forces to the neck and upper spine. > > The total increase in circumferance of the head (and hence the potential > increase in tortional forces) is small when wearing a cycle helmet. The risks > of brain injury are far greater than neck or spine damage. Theres a reason > motobike helmets - which really do increase the head circumference a lot - have > saved a lot of people who would otherwise have died. Would you care to expand on that "reason" so that we see wether it's relevant to cycling helmets? BugBear
From: boltar2003 on 21 May 2010 10:07 On Fri, 21 May 2010 14:31:03 +0100 bugbear <bugbear(a)trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> wrote: >> The total increase in circumferance of the head (and hence the potential >> increase in tortional forces) is small when wearing a cycle helmet. The risks >> of brain injury are far greater than neck or spine damage. Theres a reason >> motobike helmets - which really do increase the head circumference a lot - >have >> saved a lot of people who would otherwise have died. > >Would you care to expand on that "reason" No. You know perfectly well what it is. B2003
From: pk on 21 May 2010 10:11 "Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk> wrote in message news:85nc1bFc4pU1(a)mid.individual.net... > boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote: > > > Some research has shown that overtaking is closer for helmeted riders > than unhelmeted riders. don't you mean some non peer reviewed junk science where the researcher used himself as test subject and dressed up in a blond wig? pk
From: JMS jmsmith2010 on 21 May 2010 10:25
On Fri, 21 May 2010 02:24:54 -0700 (PDT), Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >The BBC program 'Hospital Heros' shown yesterday morning, 20th May, >featured a teenage boy who had been thrown over the handlebars of his >bike at some speed after the front wheel had jammed for some reason. >Although he had suffered some deep cuts to his face, he was found not >to have suffered any skull fractures or brain injury. The very >experienced hospital consultant put this down to the fact that he had >been wearing a cycle helmet. This was shown and was quite badly >damaged at the front, so had obviously absorbed a lot of the energy in >this involuntary face plant. > >Derek C Wait for it : For goodness sake what does a hospital consultant know about the workings of cycle helmets :-) -- Many cyclists are proving the need for registration by their contempt for the Highway Code and laws. The answer: All cyclists over 16 to take compulsory test, have compulsory insurance, and be registered. Registration number to be clearly visible on the back of mandatory hi-viz vest. Habitual law breakers' cycles confiscated and crushed. (With thanks to KeithT for the idea) |