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From: Brimstone on 9 Aug 2010 10:04 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:152iy79149hvd.1gznaye1ry640$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:06:11 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: > >> �Speeding is middle-class anti-social behaviour > > the R4 presenter this am seemed quite keen on more 20s in town centres > offset by 80 on the motorways. Brake were very keen on lots more 20s and > thought you couldn't have 80 because the rare motorway accidents are often > serious. > I cannot see the 80 happening. > Indeed, it'll be the scaremongers that stop it. They seem to overlook the fact that most people travel at 80, or faster, already. The only aspect that causes me concern is the greater speed differential with lorries and coaches. Too few people look far enough ahead or back as it is.
From: Adrian on 9 Aug 2010 10:10 Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> Indeed, it'll be the scaremongers that stop it. > and the green issues <waits for explanation of difference>
From: GT on 9 Aug 2010 10:55 "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng08(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:rMOdnXtFiZZ3l_3RnZ2dnUVZ8nSdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:152iy79149hvd.1gznaye1ry640$.dlg(a)40tude.net... >> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:06:11 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: >> >>> �Speeding is middle-class anti-social behaviour >> >> the R4 presenter this am seemed quite keen on more 20s in town centres >> offset by 80 on the motorways. Brake were very keen on lots more 20s and >> thought you couldn't have 80 because the rare motorway accidents are >> often >> serious. >> I cannot see the 80 happening. >> > Indeed, it'll be the scaremongers that stop it. They seem to overlook the > fact that most people travel at 80, or faster, already. Problem with that argument is that if the limit were 80, then lots would travel at 90 or faster. > The only aspect that causes me concern is the greater speed differential > with lorries and coaches. Too few people look far enough ahead or back as > it is.
From: GT on 9 Aug 2010 10:57 "Mr. Benn" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:i3p13t$val$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message > news:i3p0ch$l0l$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:13:55 +0100 >> Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:06:11 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: >>> >>>> �Speeding is middle-class anti-social behaviour >>> >>>the R4 presenter this am seemed quite keen on more 20s in town centres >>>offset by 80 on the motorways. Brake were very keen on lots more 20s and >>>thought you couldn't have 80 because the rare motorway accidents are >>>often >>>serious. >> >> And once they hippies manage to get 20 enforced everywhere they'll >> start a campaign for it to be 15, then 10 eventually they'll want to make >> all >> local roads car free and you'll have to park your car in large municple >> car parks near A roads and walk the rest of the way. > > Give 'em an inch .. Or give then 25.4mm...
From: Ian Jackson on 9 Aug 2010 10:57
In message <i3p13t$val$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Mr. Benn <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> writes ><boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >news:i3p0ch$l0l$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:13:55 +0100 >> Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:06:11 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: >>> >>>> �Speeding is middle-class anti-social behaviour >>> >>>the R4 presenter this am seemed quite keen on more 20s in town centres >>>offset by 80 on the motorways. Brake were very keen on lots more 20s and >>>thought you couldn't have 80 because the rare motorway accidents are often >>>serious. >> >> And once they hippies manage to get 20 enforced everywhere they'll >> start a campaign for it to be 15, then 10 eventually they'll want to >>make all >> local roads car free and you'll have to park your car in large municple >> car parks near A roads and walk the rest of the way. > >Give 'em an inch .. In the village where I live, there is a 30 limit. For a couple of hundred yards, in the centre, past the shops, even 20 is too fast. I usually drop to around 15. But it's surprising how many thrash through at 50 or 60. Would a 20 limit really change their ways? I'd certainly support a short stretch of 20 limit. However, for some reason, it's very difficult to get them. Some of the country lanes around here have recently had 40 - and, in a few cases, 30 limits introduced - but some of those were a bit of a battle. Parish councils and local people seem to meet a brick wall when they present their case. It seems that nothing less than wholesale slaughter on a continuing basis will move the county councils to action. But don't get me wrong. I'm certainly no slowcoach. I am also in favour of 80 limits on motorways - provided that this was not taken as a justification to drive regularly at 10mph over the limit, like most people do. -- Ian |