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From: Brimstone on 10 Aug 2010 11:34 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:xey89x22otfp$.16l9fu7jar2ss$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:18:30 +0100, Brimstone wrote: > >>> �Speeding is middle-class anti-social behaviour." >>> >> Try reading the rest of the paragraph, " ... Speeding is middle-class >> anti-social behaviour. People think, 'we should be able to get away with >> it�. >> They wouldn�t tolerate law breaking by somebody else but they do it >> themselves without thinking. " > > makes no difference, she linked speeding to middle class, then saying > "people" does not remove it. There was no need to say "middle class", IME > working class people are just as likely to speed and there have been some > notable upper class speeders. The implication is that the middle classes > *only* speed, while members of the working class are likely to be thieves > etc. Appalling. (and ignores white collar crime). > You're still not getting it. Never mind.
From: boltar2003 on 10 Aug 2010 11:46 On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:46:32 +0100 Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >apparently I'm a hypocrite for believing in global warming while driving a >tractor, however, given China are currently building 150 new airports I >might wait for taxes on flying before I consider driving a electric car. The horse has well and truly bolted with any chance of preventing global warming. We can however make it less worse. Because china doesn't give a stuff doesn't mean should all give up on doing our bit here and then! :) B2003
From: JNugent on 10 Aug 2010 12:46 Brimstone wrote: > "JNugent" <jenningsltd(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: >> Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: >>> Brimstone wrote: >>>> "I'll do as I like and stuff everyone else" seems to be the gist of >>>> this interview. I think she makes some valid points. >>> including the motoring bits? >>> Mrs Spence, 55, says another form of �anti-social behaviour� which >>> causes the most complaints to police in Cambridgeshire is speeding in >>> rural areas. >> I bet they actually mean overtaking (perfectly legal, but frequently >> seen as an insult to the manhood of the overtakee). >> Overtaking is visible and easily-defined. >> Speeding (if it simply means exceeding the arbitrary speed limit) is >> not so detectable as a fact. It is far less likely to be what is >> "causing complaints" for the simple reason that most people have no >> way of knowing - as distinct from assuming - that it is happening. >>> �Speeding is middle-class anti-social behaviour. People think, 'we >>> should be able to get away with it�. They wouldn�t tolerate law breaking >>> by somebody else but they do it themselves without thinking. >> *If* that's what it is. >>> �It all seems OK until something tragic happens, like a child dies >>> because of a road traffic accident.� >> Is this to do with rural roads (as suggested by the phraseology >> quoted) or towns/residential suburbs? >> The police officer seems confused as to which it might be. > The police officer or the interviewer? That part of the article seems to be a quote. So it's the police officer who seems to think that rural roads are teeming with children about to be knocked over.
From: JNugent on 10 Aug 2010 12:49 Brimstone wrote: > > "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:15dkv7i39b3yk$.5cnhnw4htoaw.dlg(a)40tude.net... >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:01:53 +0100, Brimstone wrote: >> >>>> theres no need to, neither is there any need to attribute regarding >>>> speeding as OK to one social class, which is nonsense. >>>> >>> I suggest you re-read the article, she makes no such attribution. >> >> �Speeding is middle-class anti-social behaviour." >> > Try reading the rest of the paragraph, " ... Speeding is middle-class > anti-social behaviour. People think, 'we should be able to get away with > it�. They wouldn�t tolerate law breaking by somebody else but they do it > themselves without thinking. " He was right first time. She was saying (whether she believes it or not is a separate question) that the middle classes are the ones who break speed limits. She was not trying to describe a section or sub-set of a larger speeding problem. She said it was a middle-class phenomenon. She was wrong and I'd have thought you capable of seeing that and agreeing with it.
From: Brimstone on 10 Aug 2010 13:03
"JNugent" <jenningsltd(a)fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:8cde89FpqsU3(a)mid.individual.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> >> "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:15dkv7i39b3yk$.5cnhnw4htoaw.dlg(a)40tude.net... >>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:01:53 +0100, Brimstone wrote: >>> >>>>> theres no need to, neither is there any need to attribute regarding >>>>> speeding as OK to one social class, which is nonsense. >>>>> >>>> I suggest you re-read the article, she makes no such attribution. >>> >>> �Speeding is middle-class anti-social behaviour." >>> >> Try reading the rest of the paragraph, " ... Speeding is middle-class >> anti-social behaviour. People think, 'we should be able to get away with >> it�. They wouldn�t tolerate law breaking by somebody else but they do it >> themselves without thinking. " > > He was right first time. > > She was saying (whether she believes it or not is a separate question) > that the middle classes are the ones who break speed limits. She was not > trying to describe a section or sub-set of a larger speeding problem. She > said it was a middle-class phenomenon. > > She was wrong and I'd have thought you capable of seeing that and agreeing > with it. I haven't said she's wrong about who it is that exceeds the speed limit. |