From: Phil Bradby on 10 Aug 2010 13:37
> In an article such as that there isn't space to deal with everyone
> individually. It's intended to prick some consciences, which it
> obviously has done.
All it did was spell out in words what has been obvious from their
actions for years now: that the police have a lunatic, self-destructive
urge to alienate and antagonize their natural greatest supporters and
allies, the respectable middle classes.
I know that if I was a plod, I'd be trying desperately to cling on to
every last friend I had who hadn't already been driven to hate and
mistrust the police. But then unlike most plods, I'm not really, really
From: Derek C on 10 Aug 2010 13:59
On Aug 9, 3:57 pm, Ian Jackson
> In message <i3p13t$va...(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Mr. Benn
> <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> writes
> ><boltar2...(a)boltar.world> wrote in message
> >> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:13:55 +0100
> >> Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:06:11 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man wrote:
> >>>> ´Speeding is middle-class anti-social behaviour
> >>>the R4 presenter this am seemed quite keen on more 20s in town centres
> >>>offset by 80 on the motorways. Brake were very keen on lots more 20s and
> >>>thought you couldn't have 80 because the rare motorway accidents are often
> >> And once they hippies manage to get 20 enforced everywhere they'll
> >> start a campaign for it to be 15, then 10 eventually they'll want to
> >>make all
> >> local roads car free and you'll have to park your car in large municple
> >> car parks near A roads and walk the rest of the way.
> >Give 'em an inch ..
> In the village where I live, there is a 30 limit. For a couple of
> hundred yards, in the centre, past the shops, even 20 is too fast. I
> usually drop to around 15. But it's surprising how many thrash through
> at 50 or 60. Would a 20 limit really change their ways?
> I'd certainly support a short stretch of 20 limit. However, for some
> reason, it's very difficult to get them. Some of the country lanes
> around here have recently had 40 - and, in a few cases, 30 limits
> introduced - but some of those were a bit of a battle. Parish councils
> and local people seem to meet a brick wall when they present their case.
> It seems that nothing less than wholesale slaughter on a continuing
> basis will move the county councils to action.
They (supporters of lower speed limits) seem to have been pretty
succesful on several roads I use in Southern and South-Easten England.
Several former national speed limit stretches of road have been
reduced to 50, 40 or even 30 mph. 50 limits seem to have been reduced
to 40 or 30mph. 40 limits have been reduced to 30 mph Some 30 mph
limits have been reduced to 20 mph.
It now takes ages to get anywhere! I expect the return of the man with
the red flag walking in front of the car anytime soon!
From: Ian Jackson on 10 Aug 2010 15:45
In message <8ccno2FlurU2(a)mid.individual.net>, JNugent
>Ian Jackson wrote:
>> In the village where I live, there is a 30 limit. For a couple of
>>hundred yards, in the centre, past the shops, even 20 is too fast. I
>>usually drop to around 15. But it's surprising how many thrash through
>>at 50 or 60. Would a 20 limit really change their ways?
>A camera might. It sounds like the sort of place where one would
>actually be fully justified.
Exactly. Rather than catching drivers doing 35 in a 30 limit (usually
one which really should be a 40), justice is better served by catching
them doing 25 in a 20 limit where even 15 is too fast.
From: nospam on 10 Aug 2010 15:51
Phil Bradby <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote:
>I know that if I was a plod, I'd be trying desperately to cling on to
>every last friend I had who hadn't already been driven to hate and
>mistrust the police. But then unlike most plods, I'm not really, really
Who would join the police force nowadays?
Those seduced by pay and conditions which their meager abilities could not
command in any other job and bullies that crave the power the police have
over the rest of society.
When all the old school coppers have taken their (early) retirement the
police force will consist entirely of thickos and bullies.
What proportion do you think we are at now?
From: Andrew Gabriel on 10 Aug 2010 20:09
In article <2f91cc0c-bc6c-4f89-bd0e-3027b01056a9(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> writes:
> They (supporters of lower speed limits) seem to have been pretty
> succesful on several roads I use in Southern and South-Easten England.
> Several former national speed limit stretches of road have been
> reduced to 50, 40 or even 30 mph. 50 limits seem to have been reduced
> to 40 or 30mph. 40 limits have been reduced to 30 mph Some 30 mph
> limits have been reduced to 20 mph.
Oxfordshire had a big blitz on these in the later 1980's IIRC, when
local authorities got the power to set speed limits on some roads
which were previously DoT set. 50 limits on all the good quality
rural through roads (although curiously not the smaller dangerous
ones which remain derestricted). However, the 50 is further reduced
to 30 for about 100 yrds each side of a councillors' house.
Before that change in the later 1980's, virtually all speed limits
I came across seemed to be exactly what I would have said they should
be for the road in question, and I'm presuming they were scientificly
evaluated. From the latter 1980's, loads of political speed limits
started springing up with no basis in science or risk assessment, and
I think that was the start of the discrediting of speed limits in the
publics' eyes, sadly.
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