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From: jim beam on 30 Jul 2010 10:45
i don't usually post political bull, but this just pisses me off.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama

$25 billion under bush
$60 billion under obama

to save 55,000 jobs? [note: use of the word "added" is a technicality.
old g.m. were dissolved. "new" g.m.'s re-staffing is classified as
"added" when it's really a sideways - in fact downward - employment curve.]

let's do the math:

$85MMM / 55,000 = 1.5MM per job.

that stinks.

write your representatives. this ridiculous profigacy deserves
punishment. especially as all g.m.'s projected "job growth" is slated
for china, not the u.s.


--
nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jul 2010 17:52
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:45:04 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>
> i don't usually post political bull, but this just pisses me off.

I do:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/30/AR2009033002922.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/raasch/2009-04-02-newpolitics_N.htm

He's gotta sell cars to get his money back!

>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama
>
> $25 billion under bush
> $60 billion under obama
>
> to save 55,000 jobs? [note: use of the word "added" is a technicality.
> old g.m. were dissolved. "new" g.m.'s re-staffing is classified as
> "added" when it's really a sideways - in fact downward - employment curve.]
>
> let's do the math:
>
> $85MMM / 55,000 = 1.5MM per job.

Just give me the cash and never worry about me again!

From: jim beam on 30 Jul 2010 21:55
On 07/30/2010 02:52 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:45:04 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>
>> i don't usually post political bull, but this just pisses me off.
>
> I do:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/30/AR2009033002922.html
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/raasch/2009-04-02-newpolitics_N.htm
>
> He's gotta sell cars to get his money back!
>
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama
>>
>> $25 billion under bush
>> $60 billion under obama
>>
>> to save 55,000 jobs? [note: use of the word "added" is a technicality.
>> old g.m. were dissolved. "new" g.m.'s re-staffing is classified as
>> "added" when it's really a sideways - in fact downward - employment curve.]
>>
>> let's do the math:
>>
>> $85MMM / 55,000 = 1.5MM per job.
>
> Just give me the cash and never worry about me again!
>

that is precisely my point. it's crazy money.

when i hear all this bullshit about "but there were really 1.1 million
jobs at stake", that's bullshit too. do they think all those auto
repair shops are suddenly going to go out of business because they will
now deal with frod, not chevy? and all those poor chevy auto dealers
that also sell subaru, hyundai, kia, etc. poor guys, trying to scratch
a living out of cars that sell vs. cars that don't...


--
nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jul 2010 22:04
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:55:00 -0700, jim beam wrote:

> On 07/30/2010 02:52 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:45:04 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i don't usually post political bull, but this just pisses me off.
>>
>> I do:
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/30/AR2009033002922.html
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/raasch/2009-04-02-newpolitics_N.htm
>>
>> He's gotta sell cars to get his money back!
>>
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama
>>>
>>> $25 billion under bush
>>> $60 billion under obama
>>>
>>> to save 55,000 jobs? [note: use of the word "added" is a technicality.
>>> old g.m. were dissolved. "new" g.m.'s re-staffing is classified as
>>> "added" when it's really a sideways - in fact downward - employment curve.]
>>>
>>> let's do the math:
>>>
>>> $85MMM / 55,000 = 1.5MM per job.
>>
>> Just give me the cash and never worry about me again!
>>
>
> that is precisely my point. it's crazy money.
>
> when i hear all this bullshit about "but there were really 1.1 million
> jobs at stake", that's bullshit too. do they think all those auto
> repair shops are suddenly going to go out of business because they will
> now deal with frod, not chevy? and all those poor chevy auto dealers
> that also sell subaru, hyundai, kia, etc. poor guys, trying to scratch
> a living out of cars that sell vs. cars that don't...


LOL! You and I don't agree on too much, but I think you hit the nail on
the head.

Back in 2005 I was working for a Toyota dealer that sold to a BIG outfit
from the Albany (NY) area. In order to buy the Toyota dealer, they also
had to buy the Chrysler dealer, since Toyota was leasing the land and
buildings from the owner of the Chrysler dealership.

The Chrysler guys thought they had it made, with such a big, well-known
dealership behind them. I said, Stop the rejoicing guys...You ever hear of
L** Ford, L** Chevrolet? No. L** Honda, L** Toyota, L** Hyundai, L**
Nissan...it's been nice knowing you!

Took less than a year...



Back to the point, I think those 55K auto workers had it made! The battery
maker Obama was at last month got schtupped! THose jobs were only worth
$500,000 each...



From: Tom on 31 Jul 2010 04:57


"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:_wL4o.47359$3%3.18740(a)newsfe23.iad...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:55:00 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>> On 07/30/2010 02:52 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:45:04 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> i don't usually post political bull, but this just pisses me off.
>>>
>>> I do:
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/30/AR2009033002922.html
>>>
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/raasch/2009-04-02-newpolitics_N.htm
>>>
>>> He's gotta sell cars to get his money back!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama
>>>>
>>>> $25 billion under bush
>>>> $60 billion under obama
>>>>
>>>> to save 55,000 jobs? [note: use of the word "added" is a technicality.
>>>> old g.m. were dissolved. "new" g.m.'s re-staffing is classified as
>>>> "added" when it's really a sideways - in fact downward - employment
>>>> curve.]
>>>>
>>>> let's do the math:
>>>>
>>>> $85MMM / 55,000 = 1.5MM per job.
>>>
>>> Just give me the cash and never worry about me again!
>>>
>>
>> that is precisely my point. it's crazy money.
>>
>> when i hear all this bullshit about "but there were really 1.1 million
>> jobs at stake", that's bullshit too. do they think all those auto
>> repair shops are suddenly going to go out of business because they will
>> now deal with frod, not chevy? and all those poor chevy auto dealers
>> that also sell subaru, hyundai, kia, etc. poor guys, trying to scratch
>> a living out of cars that sell vs. cars that don't...
>
>
> LOL! You and I don't agree on too much, but I think you hit the nail on
> the head.
>
> Back in 2005 I was working for a Toyota dealer that sold to a BIG outfit
> from the Albany (NY) area. In order to buy the Toyota dealer, they also
> had to buy the Chrysler dealer, since Toyota was leasing the land and
> buildings from the owner of the Chrysler dealership.
>
> The Chrysler guys thought they had it made, with such a big, well-known
> dealership behind them. I said, Stop the rejoicing guys...You ever hear of
> L** Ford, L** Chevrolet? No. L** Honda, L** Toyota, L** Hyundai, L**
> Nissan...it's been nice knowing you!
>
> Took less than a year...
>
>
>
> Back to the point, I think those 55K auto workers had it made! The battery
> maker Obama was at last month got schtupped! THose jobs were only worth
> $500,000 each...
>
> I don't know about you but within 3 miles of my house there 2 chrysler
> dealerships that are now empty buildings and one gm dealer now only
> selling used cars with less than half the staff. and there were no new
> dealerships opened around here in years. where did those jobs go. One of
> the chrysler dealers was one of the largest in the area.
>
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