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From: Jules Richardson on 23 Jun 2010 09:52
Hi all,

Got an '08 Uplander here that hit a deer - the actual collision was low-
speed and the damage is easy to fix, but it was enough to set both
airbags went off, and front seatbelts are now both locked in retracted
position and non-functional.

Anyone know if there's a way of restoring function to the belts, even
without the airbags in place? I assume there's some mechanism that
tightens the belts in a crash - but if it can be reset (or if it needs
new belt assemblies) I don't know.

cheers

Jules
From: E. Meyer on 23 Jun 2010 17:48
On 6/23/10 8:52 AM, in article hvt3id$saf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org,
"Jules Richardson" <jules.richardsonnewsmoo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Got an '08 Uplander here that hit a deer - the actual collision was low-
> speed and the damage is easy to fix, but it was enough to set both
> airbags went off, and front seatbelts are now both locked in retracted
> position and non-functional.
>
> Anyone know if there's a way of restoring function to the belts, even
> without the airbags in place? I assume there's some mechanism that
> tightens the belts in a crash - but if it can be reset (or if it needs
> new belt assemblies) I don't know.
>
> cheers
>
> Jules

Nope. The pre-tensioners in the belts fired (yet another explosive charge)
& have to be replaced. Make sure its included in the insurance claim.

From: Steve W. on 23 Jun 2010 18:23
Jules Richardson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Got an '08 Uplander here that hit a deer - the actual collision was low-
> speed and the damage is easy to fix, but it was enough to set both
> airbags went off, and front seatbelts are now both locked in retracted
> position and non-functional.
>
> Anyone know if there's a way of restoring function to the belts, even
> without the airbags in place? I assume there's some mechanism that
> tightens the belts in a crash - but if it can be reset (or if it needs
> new belt assemblies) I don't know.
>
> cheers
>
> Jules

Nope you replace the belt assemblies because there are small explosive
charges in them as well that tighten the belt when they fire. To make it
all correct you need to replace the air bag modules, belt units and make
sure that the bag deploy sensors are still OK.

--
Steve W.
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(='.'=)
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From: Jules Richardson on 24 Jun 2010 11:13
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:23:24 -0400, Steve W. wrote:
>> Got an '08 Uplander here that hit a deer - the actual collision was
>> low- speed and the damage is easy to fix, but it was enough to set both
>> airbags went off, and front seatbelts are now both locked in retracted
>> position and non-functional.
>>
>> Anyone know if there's a way of restoring function to the belts, even
>> without the airbags in place? I assume there's some mechanism that
>> tightens the belts in a crash - but if it can be reset (or if it needs
>> new belt assemblies) I don't know.
>
> Nope you replace the belt assemblies because there are small explosive
> charges in them as well that tighten the belt when they fire. To make it
> all correct you need to replace the air bag modules, belt units and make
> sure that the bag deploy sensors are still OK.

Yeah, thought that might be the case. I'm not too bothered about having
airbags (I'm used to owning vehicles without them anyway!), but I'll have
to see what my insurance company say about running it without (I know
that for my wife's car it's something silly like a $5 discount for having
airbags - but whether that translates to $5 "extra" for running a van
with broken ones remains to be seen ;-)

Oh, I did some more poking around yesterday evening, and there appears to
be a crash sensor on a cross-beam at the front of the vehicle just above
the radiator - there's a huge chunk missing out of it, so it looks like
it was probably hit by flying debris and that's why the airbags triggered
even though the impact was low-speed.

Looking around, it seems I can get a new front set of belts (driver +
passenger) for less than $100 (without the crash-tensioner stuff), which
isn't bad at all. Replacing the airbags would be around $1000 though
(plus extras - crash sensor, dash / steering wheel covers, clearing codes
in the computer etc.)

cheers

Jules
From: Steve W. on 24 Jun 2010 12:20
Jules Richardson wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:23:24 -0400, Steve W. wrote:
>>> Got an '08 Uplander here that hit a deer - the actual collision was
>>> low- speed and the damage is easy to fix, but it was enough to set both
>>> airbags went off, and front seatbelts are now both locked in retracted
>>> position and non-functional.
>>>
>>> Anyone know if there's a way of restoring function to the belts, even
>>> without the airbags in place? I assume there's some mechanism that
>>> tightens the belts in a crash - but if it can be reset (or if it needs
>>> new belt assemblies) I don't know.
>> Nope you replace the belt assemblies because there are small explosive
>> charges in them as well that tighten the belt when they fire. To make it
>> all correct you need to replace the air bag modules, belt units and make
>> sure that the bag deploy sensors are still OK.
>
> Yeah, thought that might be the case. I'm not too bothered about having
> airbags (I'm used to owning vehicles without them anyway!), but I'll have
> to see what my insurance company say about running it without (I know
> that for my wife's car it's something silly like a $5 discount for having
> airbags - but whether that translates to $5 "extra" for running a van
> with broken ones remains to be seen ;-)

I would bet that they will tell you they won't even insure it unless you
replace the bags. Plus if there is another "event" and the company
decides that injuries/death could have been reduced/eliminated IF the
bags had been in place and YOU chose not to repair them, They will
likely not cover anything.

>
> Oh, I did some more poking around yesterday evening, and there appears to
> be a crash sensor on a cross-beam at the front of the vehicle just above
> the radiator - there's a huge chunk missing out of it, so it looks like
> it was probably hit by flying debris and that's why the airbags triggered
> even though the impact was low-speed.

Could be, Most of the units use the sensors and speed to determine the
G-force loading and trigger the bags if the load is over a set
threshold. They will also trigger if the G-Level alone is high enough.


>
> Looking around, it seems I can get a new front set of belts (driver +
> passenger) for less than $100 (without the crash-tensioner stuff), which
> isn't bad at all. Replacing the airbags would be around $1000 though
> (plus extras - crash sensor, dash / steering wheel covers, clearing codes
> in the computer etc.)

I take it you didn't have coverage for this?
Keep in mind that if you don't repair it and then sell/trade the vehicle
you can be required to replace the bags anyway.

>
> cheers
>
> Jules


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