From: Adrian on
boltar2003(a)boltar.world gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> The NUM were a bunch of bloody minded bastards. I'm old enough to
> remember the power cuts we had in the 70s when those arseholes went out
> on strike yet again. No one outside yorkshire or various maxist papers
> had the slightest sympathy for them.

I was in South Yorkshire at the time. I don't recall a lot of sympathy.

> Perhaps if they'd been more reasonable there'd still be a half decent
> mining industry in this country

Nope. There just wasn't enough easy-to-get-at coal left to make it
economically viable. Should the tax payer, with the country's finances in
the shitter after the three day week (remind me why that happened),
devaluation (remind me which colour of government did that) etc, have
subsidised the extraction?

Plus, of course, let's not forget that we now know that coal kills polar
bears and bunny wabbits.
From: Ret. on
Conor wrote:
> On 06/04/2010 11:03, Ret. wrote:
>
>> We are all let down - by a failing justice system, by a failing
>> education system, by a failing NHS, etc. etc.
>>
>> You will soon have the opportunity to do your bit to change that...
>>
>
> Indeed. We can change to the party that destroyed society, gave birth
> to "living on the dole", cut Police, ran schools into the ground,
> starved the NHS, sold off everything worth having (steel, rail, gas.,
> electricity, water, phone) and spent $millions in a one woman vendetta
> against the NUM whilst also turning most of South and East Yorks into
> one of the most economically deprived in Europe. I must thank them
> for that.
> I'm not quite so sure the hundreds of thousands made long term
> unemployed as the Conservatives decimated northern England share your
> passion to see them re-elected.

What a warped view. The Tories saved this country. If Labour had got in when
Maggie did - we would be a basket case by now (of course we virtually are
after 10 years of recent Labour rule...)

Kev

From: JNugent on
Brimstone wrote:

> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>> Ret. wrote:

>>> I'm not sure that it is wise to look to America for examples of
>>> excellence in policing...
>>> There are significant drawbacks to the system of course. If a police
>>> chief wants to be re-elected, then he will have to give the public
>>> what they want in terms of policing. Having attended many
>>> police/public forums over the years, and listened to the demands of
>>> the public, you can expect big campaigns against speeders, litterers,
>>> pavement cyclists, and dog owners who allow their pets to foul the
>>> footpaths...

>> What's wrong with that (assuming you mean speeding in residential side
>> streets and other heavily-used pedestrian routes)?
>> Is it beneath the dignity of the police force to serve the public?

> People tend to concentrate on matters which affect them, so things like
> burglary, fraud and other crimes which apparently only affect other
> people or companies and organisations are not considered.

I don't think so. I'm sure that burglary would be on the list that Kev mentioned.

Not so sure whether fraud would be - but then, the police don't do much to
combat fraud in any case. That is left to other agencies for the most part.

Wanting the police to pay attention to the things which cause daily loss of
quality of life (and which can cause misery if left unchecked) seems very
reasonable to me. That woman who burned herself and her disabled teenage
daugfhter to death in a car might have taken a similar view.
From: Ret. on
boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:52:00 +0100
> Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
>> electricity, water, phone) and spent $millions in a one woman
>> vendetta against the NUM whilst also turning most of South and East
>> Yorks into
>> one of the most economically deprived in Europe. I must thank them
>> for that.
>
> Oh boo hoo, excuse me while I weep into my hanky...
>
> The NUM were a bunch of bloody minded bastards. I'm old enough to
> remember the power cuts we had in the 70s when those arseholes went
> out on strike yet again. No one outside yorkshire or various maxist
> papers had the slightest sympathy for them. Perhaps if they'd been
> more reasonable there'd still be a half decent mining industry in
> this country but just like the dockers and the leyland workers they
> were too arrogant or plain stupid to see where it
> would all end.
>
>> I'm not quite so sure the hundreds of thousands made long term
>> unemployed as the Conservatives decimated northern England share your
>> passion to see them re-elected.
>
> Remind us what the unemployment rate is after 13 years of labour what
> the current UK deficit is why don't you...
>
> B2003

My god Boltar - we actually agree on something!

Kev
From: Brimstone on


"JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message
news:fbydnRHQCL0yyCbWnZ2dnUVZ7rOdnZ2d(a)pipex.net...
> Brimstone wrote:
>
>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>>> Ret. wrote:
>
>>>> I'm not sure that it is wise to look to America for examples of
>>>> excellence in policing...
>>>> There are significant drawbacks to the system of course. If a police
>>>> chief wants to be re-elected, then he will have to give the public what
>>>> they want in terms of policing. Having attended many police/public
>>>> forums over the years, and listened to the demands of the public, you
>>>> can expect big campaigns against speeders, litterers, pavement
>>>> cyclists, and dog owners who allow their pets to foul the footpaths...
>
>>> What's wrong with that (assuming you mean speeding in residential side
>>> streets and other heavily-used pedestrian routes)?
>>> Is it beneath the dignity of the police force to serve the public?
>
>> People tend to concentrate on matters which affect them, so things like
>> burglary, fraud and other crimes which apparently only affect other
>> people or companies and organisations are not considered.
>
> I don't think so. I'm sure that burglary would be on the list that Kev
> mentioned.

I can't see it.

> Not so sure whether fraud would be - but then, the police don't do much to
> combat fraud in any case. That is left to other agencies for the most
> part.

Never heard of the Fraud Squad? (Although I think it enjoys a different
title these days.)
>
> Wanting the police to pay attention to the things which cause daily loss
> of quality of life (and which can cause misery if left unchecked) seems
> very reasonable to me. That woman who burned herself and her disabled
> teenage daugfhter to death in a car might have taken a similar view.

I think we might be at slightly cross purposes. I wasn't suggesting that
such matter should not be dealt with, I'm all in favour of dealing with the
yobs in a manner befitting their crimes, ASBOs are not high on my list of
suitable punishments, in fact they don't even feature. If they want to make
life unpleasant for everyone else then life should be made very unpleasant
for them.

However, if only the crimes that affect most people were dealt with then
other matters would not get the attention needed.