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From: Brent on 3 Jul 2010 14:47 Yesterday on the radio there was report that the gas tax is now the lowest ever in terms of miles driven per tax dollar. This is of course due to increases in fuel effeciency. The report went on that there is now more wear and tear on the roads for taxes collected because people at large are driving more for every tax dollar. Of course it didn't bother to mention that personal passenger vehicles cause little to no wear and tear on the roads. So little that if trucks heavier than a ford F150 or so were eliminated most roads would last a century or more. Possible set up for: 1) taxing per mile and tracking everyone. 2) increased gas tax to continue to support trucking companies in the style they are used to. 3) increased gas tax so there is more money to divert to other purposes.
From: Matthew Russotto on 3 Jul 2010 21:24 In article <i0o0jq$cqg$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >Yesterday on the radio there was report that the gas tax is now the >lowest ever in terms of miles driven per tax dollar. This is of course >due to increases in fuel effeciency. The report went on that there is >now more wear and tear on the roads for taxes collected because people >at large are driving more for every tax dollar. > >Of course it didn't bother to mention that personal passenger vehicles >cause little to no wear and tear on the roads. So little that if >trucks heavier than a ford F150 or so were eliminated most roads would >last a century or more. Maube in Florida. In Chicago, winter freezes assure the roads will deteriorate even without trucks. -- The problem with socialism is there's always someone with less ability and more need.
From: Brent on 3 Jul 2010 21:41 On 2010-07-04, Matthew Russotto <russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net> wrote: > In article <i0o0jq$cqg$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>Yesterday on the radio there was report that the gas tax is now the >>lowest ever in terms of miles driven per tax dollar. This is of course >>due to increases in fuel effeciency. The report went on that there is >>now more wear and tear on the roads for taxes collected because people >>at large are driving more for every tax dollar. >> >>Of course it didn't bother to mention that personal passenger vehicles >>cause little to no wear and tear on the roads. So little that if >>trucks heavier than a ford F150 or so were eliminated most roads would >>last a century or more. > > Maube in Florida. In Chicago, winter freezes assure the roads will > deteriorate even without trucks. Heavy trucks make many small cracks that water exploits. Fewer cracks means less damage. The life of the roads would increase dramatically. Lots of simple concrete structures that aren't exposed to heavy cylic loading survive 50 to 100 years out in the weather here. Some of the roads even make it to 50 with the truck traffic (and a resurfacing, but not a total redo)
From: Ed Treijs on 6 Jul 2010 17:07 On Jul 3, 9:41 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Heavy trucks make many small cracks that water exploits. Fewer cracks > means less damage. The life of the roads would increase dramatically. > > Lots of simple concrete structures that aren't exposed to heavy > cylic loading survive 50 to 100 years out in the weather here. Some of > the roads even make it to 50 with the truck traffic (and a resurfacing, > but not a total redo)- Hide quoted text - Do these simple concrete structures see salting in winter? I do have a piece of 1925 sidewalk out front of my house, and there are pre-1930 sections here and there, but those seem to be the lucky bits. The unlucky bits were replaced a long time ago, simply from weather and time damage (people are not that fat around here).
From: Brent on 7 Jul 2010 00:49
On 2010-07-06, Ed Treijs <ed.toronto(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 3, 9:41�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Heavy trucks make many small cracks that water exploits. Fewer cracks >> means less damage. The life of the roads would increase dramatically. >> >> Lots of simple concrete structures that aren't exposed to heavy >> cylic loading survive 50 to 100 years out in the weather here. Some of >> the roads even make it to 50 with the truck traffic (and a resurfacing, >> but not a total redo)- Hide quoted text - > > Do these simple concrete structures see salting in winter? Road salt's attack is greatly increased by the cracks that allow the salty water to reach the rebar. > I do have a piece of 1925 sidewalk out front of my house, and there > are pre-1930 sections here and there, but those seem to be the lucky > bits. The unlucky bits were replaced a long time ago, simply from > weather and time damage (people are not that fat around here). Sidewalks are most often replaced because the slabs are heaved up or sunken. This is because they are sidewalks and constructed with a proper base. It's easier and cheaper just to replace the bits that go up or down too much. A properly built and maintained road simply doesn't get enough loading from typical passenger vehicles for it to matter if there are 2 or 2,000,000. The loading is so very low. But weather has nothing to do with miles driven of any vehicle anyway. |