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From: jim beam on 10 Aug 2010 11:34 On 08/10/2010 02:04 AM, m6onz5a wrote: > On Aug 9, 9:19�pm, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the >> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. �on the other, they >> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/4877171985/ >> >> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. �needless to say, the joint didn't >> last long. >> >> -- >> nomina rutrum rutrum > > If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a > waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing.. once it starts making its clacking noise in turns, yes. but if you catch it before then, and clean it properly [which isn't easy], you can indeed replace the boot and successfully repair the driveshaft. ideally though, you should replace the boot before it breaks - regular inspection allows you to see cracking and how serious it is before it breaks on the road and allows joint-killing grit to intrude. > > What's a hose clamp doing there anyways???? it's not supposed to remain there - it's to compress the retaining ring and hold it closed so you can reassemble the joint. [then it's supposed to be removed!] the retaining ring is sprung out and is too large to pop into place otherwise. and the rzeppa joint carrier doesn't have ramps on it that would allow insertion without a ring compressor - an oversight in my opinion. http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/2500122861/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/2500122865/ -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 10 Aug 2010 11:35 On 08/10/2010 05:58 AM, C. E. White wrote: > "m6onz5a"<corvair(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:a195a077-595d-400d-b3c7-834366de23c0(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > >> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways???? > > They used the hose clamp to compress the clip (snap) ring on the > transmission end of the axle shaft. I suppose the theory is that this makes > it easier to plug the axle back into the transmission. You compress the clip > ring using the clamp. As you slide the axle shaft back into the > transmission, the clamp slides down the splines as the snap ring moves into > the transmission gears and eventually "snaps out" to retain the axle. I've > only done a few axles but never needed to do anything like this. Usually the > axles can be bumped back into the transmission without an aide like this. > I've never actually had to do the CV joints on a Honda, so maybe this is a > Honda specific trick. > > Ed > > trying to "blend in" ed? do you think such masquerading actually works? -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: M.A. Stewart on 10 Aug 2010 18:57 jim beam (me(a)privacy.net) writes: > On 08/10/2010 02:04 AM, m6onz5a wrote: >> On Aug 9, 9:19�pm, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the >>> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. �on the other, they >>> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it. >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/4877171985/ >>> >>> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. �needless to say, the joint didn't >>> last long. >>> >>> -- >>> nomina rutrum rutrum >> >> If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a >> waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing.. > > once it starts making its clacking noise in turns, yes. but if you > catch it before then, and clean it properly [which isn't easy], you can > indeed replace the boot and successfully repair the driveshaft. > > ideally though, you should replace the boot before it breaks - regular > inspection allows you to see cracking and how serious it is before it > breaks on the road and allows joint-killing grit to intrude. > Don't forget water and road salt. > >> >> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways???? > > it's not supposed to remain there - it's to compress the retaining ring > and hold it closed so you can reassemble the joint. [then it's supposed > to be removed!] the retaining ring is sprung out and is too large to > pop into place otherwise. and the rzeppa joint carrier doesn't have > ramps on it that would allow insertion without a ring compressor - an > oversight in my opinion. Was the clamp making noise? > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/2500122861/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/2500122865/ Those balls in the joint were junk, right? Or is it just the photo? A couple of the balls looked like a black and white photo of the planet Jupiter. > > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 10 Aug 2010 19:48 On 08/10/2010 03:57 PM, M.A. Stewart wrote: > jim beam (me(a)privacy.net) writes: >> On 08/10/2010 02:04 AM, m6onz5a wrote: >>> On Aug 9, 9:19�pm, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the >>>> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. �on the other, they >>>> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it. >>>> >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/4877171985/ >>>> >>>> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. �needless to say, the joint didn't >>>> last long. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> nomina rutrum rutrum >>> >>> If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a >>> waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing.. >> >> once it starts making its clacking noise in turns, yes. but if you >> catch it before then, and clean it properly [which isn't easy], you can >> indeed replace the boot and successfully repair the driveshaft. > >> >> ideally though, you should replace the boot before it breaks - regular >> inspection allows you to see cracking and how serious it is before it >> breaks on the road and allows joint-killing grit to intrude. >> > > Don't forget water and road salt. > > >> >>> >>> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways???? > >> >> it's not supposed to remain there - it's to compress the retaining ring >> and hold it closed so you can reassemble the joint. [then it's supposed >> to be removed!] the retaining ring is sprung out and is too large to >> pop into place otherwise. and the rzeppa joint carrier doesn't have >> ramps on it that would allow insertion without a ring compressor - an >> oversight in my opinion. > > > Was the clamp making noise? if you mean that notchy "clunk" each time it was getting caught in the joint, yes it was. > > >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/2500122861/ >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/2500122865/ > > > Those balls in the joint were junk, right? Or is it just the photo? > > A couple of the balls looked like a black and white photo of the > planet Jupiter. junk. that is a dead joint i cleaned up for the photo. it's a pet peeve of mine that people don't pay attention to joint boots and just keep driving them till the joint is unrepairable. if you have the tools, which really aren't very expensive and which pay for themselves in just one use, boot replacement is quick, simple, and cheap on a shaft like this. and a damned sight better than cheapo chinese aftermarket replacement shafts that last barely 30k before their soft poorly fitting innards start to tear themselves apart. provided they're not gritted, the joints on oem honda driveshafts can last hundreds of thousands of miles - just keep an eye on the boots and replace those boots when they've started to crack. correctly prepared, it takes an hour from wheel off to wheel back on. > > >> >> >> -- >> nomina rutrum rutrum > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: N8N on 13 Aug 2010 16:28
On Aug 10, 7:48 pm, jim beam <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > On 08/10/2010 03:57 PM, M.A. Stewart wrote: > > > > > > > jim beam (m...(a)privacy.net) writes: > >> On 08/10/2010 02:04 AM, m6onz5a wrote: > >>> On Aug 9, 9:19 pm, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >>>> on the one hand, i should commend whoever did this for replacing the > >>>> boot and not wastefully replacing the whole shaft. on the other, they > >>>> shouldn't smoke too much weed while doing it. > > >>>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/4877171985/ > > >>>> they forgot to remove the hose clamp. needless to say, the joint didn't > >>>> last long. > > >>>> -- > >>>> nomina rutrum rutrum > > >>> If the boot was split before that stoner put a new one on it's still a > >>> waste of time. The whole joint or axle needs replacing.. > > >> once it starts making its clacking noise in turns, yes. but if you > >> catch it before then, and clean it properly [which isn't easy], you can > >> indeed replace the boot and successfully repair the driveshaft. > > >> ideally though, you should replace the boot before it breaks - regular > >> inspection allows you to see cracking and how serious it is before it > >> breaks on the road and allows joint-killing grit to intrude. > > > Don't forget water and road salt. > > >>> What's a hose clamp doing there anyways???? > > >> it's not supposed to remain there - it's to compress the retaining ring > >> and hold it closed so you can reassemble the joint. [then it's supposed > >> to be removed!] the retaining ring is sprung out and is too large to > >> pop into place otherwise. and the rzeppa joint carrier doesn't have > >> ramps on it that would allow insertion without a ring compressor - an > >> oversight in my opinion. > > > Was the clamp making noise? > > if you mean that notchy "clunk" each time it was getting caught in the > joint, yes it was. > > > > >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/2500122861/ > >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024(a)N00/2500122865/ > > > Those balls in the joint were junk, right? Or is it just the photo? > > > A couple of the balls looked like a black and white photo of the > > planet Jupiter. > > junk. that is a dead joint i cleaned up for the photo. > > it's a pet peeve of mine that people don't pay attention to joint boots > and just keep driving them till the joint is unrepairable. if you have > the tools, which really aren't very expensive and which pay for > themselves in just one use, boot replacement is quick, simple, and cheap > on a shaft like this. and a damned sight better than cheapo chinese > aftermarket replacement shafts that last barely 30k before their soft > poorly fitting innards start to tear themselves apart. provided they're > not gritted, the joints on oem honda driveshafts can last hundreds of > thousands of miles - just keep an eye on the boots and replace those > boots when they've started to crack. correctly prepared, it takes an > hour from wheel off to wheel back on. I don't take the wheels off on VWs unless they are alloys and they are such that you can't access the hub nut just by popping off a hub cap. Of course, I haven't had to service a CV joint in ages. Last time I had one go bad must have been around 2004-ish. nate |