From: Daryl Walford on
Michael wrote:
> Blinky Bill wrote:
>> "Daryl Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
>> news:1371cfpg41ed81d(a)corp.supernews.com...
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>> "George W. Frost" <frosty(a)iceworks.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:VYRbi.13520$wH4.1998(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>
>>>>> Very easy to make judgements after the event
>>>> Yep. Everyone's an expert in this area :)
>>>>
>>>>> Very easy to make judgements even before the event and then to
>>>>> claim, "See, I told you"
>>>> Nope, that actually takes some knowledge or skill.
>>>>
>>>> Not everyone can look at a given situation and predict likely
>>>> faults. Not that you need to be a rocket scientist in a lot of
>>>> cases, but you at least need *some* idea.
>>>>
>>>>> There is always someone who will disagree with whatever is going
>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>>> There are heaps of doomsday prediction experts out there.
>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>>> Remembering that
>>>>> Hindsight is man's greatest assett
>>>> It is indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Listening to some guy on talkback radio last week who said the only
>>>> *real* solution to level crossing accidents was to fit boom gates at
>>>> every crossing in Victoria, but the downside is that to do so would
>>>> cost around three quarters of a billion dollars, take around 20
>>>> years and there's enough evidence of people driving around boom
>>>> gates in suburbia to suggest that they're not the foolproof solution
>>>> people think they are. Whether that was true or not I can't tell
>>>> you, but I have a simpler and more cost effective idea that would
>>>> return some money to the government coffers.
>>>>
>>> I wonder how they think a boom gate usually made out of thin aluminum
>>> will stop a semi from 100kph?
>>> A boom gate may be easier to see but if a driver can miss seeing a
>>> large train and big flashing lights IMO boom gates will make SFA
>>> difference.
>>>
>>>> Simply lower the speed limit to 70km/h for 500mtrs each approach
>>>> side of the crossing (or whatever speed the experts feel is
>>>> appropriate for the area), fit a "give way" sign at the crossing
>>>> itself (to remind people that they're supposed to slow down and
>>>> proceed at a speed that allows them to stop if necessary), and plant
>>>> a speed camera with a wireless link to mother either side of the
>>>> crossing in the limited zone with large warning signs alerting
>>>> drivers of their presence.
>>>>
>>> That would have to be the cheapest and easiest way of preventing a
>>> repeat of last weeks crash.
>>
>> It won't prevent such crashes - it may reduce their incidence and
>> raise revenue, but it can't prevent them.
>>
> How about my suggestion that we actually get the freight off the road in
> the first place.

Even if road transport was reduced by 50% there would still be lots of
heavy trucks on the roads, the possibility of a similar incident
occurring would only be slightly reduced.

> With a few more trains about people would think twice about taking them on.

Didn't you criticize others for jumping to conclusions?
Are you now are accusing the driver of "taking on" the train?



Daryl
From: Noddy on

"Blinky Bill" <nospam(a)anytime.com> wrote in message
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> It won't prevent such crashes - it may reduce their incidence and raise
> revenue, but it can't prevent them.

It certainly won't make them impossible, but anyone stupid enough to ignore
the speed limits and cameras and sail on through is most likely going to
cause an accident *regardless* of what safety measures you have in place.

Removing the road from the crossing altogether by way of a tunnel or
overpass would be the only 100% perfect solution to avoiding such accidents,
but if they balk at the price of putting bo0m gates up we've got as much
chance of that happening as I have as being named the next minister for
immigration.

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Regards,
Noddy.


From: Noddy on

"Michael" <mickpc(a)bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> How about my suggestion that we actually get the freight off the road in
> the first place.

Sure Michael. It'll work well as soon as you come up with a viable
alternative :)

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Regards,
Noddy.