From: Michael on 9 Jun 2007 09:09
> "Daryl Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
>> Is that what the driver is saying caused the crash?
>> If so I don't buy it, I can understand not seeing the actual train but not
>> seeing the flashing warning lights because of the sun is difficult to
> It is indeed.
> Given the geography it's difficult to believe that Ray Charles couldn't have
> seen the train coming five minutes before it got to the crossing.
>> My guess is he wasn't concentrating enough but that said a truck driver
>> needs lot of distance to stop so IMO there should be extra warning
>> flashing lights at least 200mtrs before crossings like that where the
>> speed limit is high or alternatively speed limits on the approach to level
>> crossings should be reduced or maybe a combination of both.
> The story in this morning's paper (Herald Sun) seemed to be suggesting that
> he presumed he was going to beat the train over the crossing but bailed out
> at the last minute when he realised he wasn't going to make it. There's also
> been plenty of suggestion recently that such practices are relatively common
> in country areas as some truck drivers would rather take the risk than have
> to stop and waste ten minutes going through 18 gears to get back up to
> It's *way* over time for tachographs to be mandatory in all heavy vehicles.
Now tell me, how hard is this to judge from at least 300 to 500 meters
away? Like the train a truck needs plenty of stopping distance, from
this distance he wouldn't have even have known if the lights were flashing.
It is sad that it has happened, but do we really need to victomise
another person to make this all better again?
From: Michael on 9 Jun 2007 09:11
Daryl Walford wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> "Daryl Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
>>> Is that what the driver is saying caused the crash?
>>> If so I don't buy it, I can understand not seeing the actual train
>>> but not seeing the flashing warning lights because of the sun is
>>> difficult to believe.
>> It is indeed.
>> Given the geography it's difficult to believe that Ray Charles
>> couldn't have seen the train coming five minutes before it got to the
>>> My guess is he wasn't concentrating enough but that said a truck
>>> driver needs lot of distance to stop so IMO there should be extra
>>> warning flashing lights at least 200mtrs before crossings like that
>>> where the speed limit is high or alternatively speed limits on the
>>> approach to level crossings should be reduced or maybe a combination
>>> of both.
>> The story in this morning's paper (Herald Sun) seemed to be suggesting
>> that he presumed he was going to beat the train over the crossing but
>> bailed out at the last minute when he realised he wasn't going to make
>> it. There's also been plenty of suggestion recently that such
>> practices are relatively common in country areas as some truck drivers
>> would rather take the risk than have to stop and waste ten minutes
>> going through 18 gears to get back up to speed.
> If true thats bloody stupid, IMO it would be better to have make
> vehicles slow down when approaching a level crossing.
> I don't know if the rule still exists but passenger coaches used to have
> to "come to a complete stop and engage first gear" before entering a
> level crossing, IMO thats a bit extreme but its got to be safer than
> going through a crossing at 100kph.
>> It's *way* over time for tachographs to be mandatory in all heavy
> There are better technologies around these days like GPS tracking, at
> any time who ever is controlling the system can find out where a vehicle
> is, how fast its going and even what gear its in and the engine rpm.
> The DAF has some sort of tachograph system fitted as standard but AFAIK
> no one looks at the data, I don't know if it even works.
> A lot of the trucks in our fleet, especially the interstaters have the
> GPS system fitted, the older DAF I used to drive has it but for some
> reason mine doesn't.
> One of our drivers does weekend work for Linfox doing supermarket
> deliveries, apparently they have been told they are not allowed to
> exceed 1800rpm in the MB Actross's, they must have a tracking system or
> tachograph installed because the fleet controllers know if the drivers
> disobey the no more than 1800rpm rule and they get a warning if they do
> it too often.
They couldn't do that from the oil usage?
From: Michael on 9 Jun 2007 09:18
> "Michael" <mickpc(a)bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> Now let me spell it out for you, if that cargo on the truck was were it
>> should have been, on a train, it would have never collided with that
>> train, duh.
> Probably not.
> The train would most likely have been behind time, the driver hopped up on
> crack to meet the schedule, and it would have cleaned up a few cars when it
> flew through the crossing at double the limit before the bells & lights had
> a chance to go off.
> Sound comical? No more than yours does :)
Comical, I doubt many trains drivers would be hopped up on crack, or
whatever you think they might be on.
I have never taken drugs when working for someone. The risk of loosing
your job is to great.
The same cannot be said for owner drivers unfortunately.
I cannot tell if you are being overly sarcastic, utterly obtuse or just
plain arrogant, perhaps you should post and tell us why your being smart?
From: ant on 9 Jun 2007 09:28
> "ant" <someone(a)spammer.com> wrote in message
>> Next we'll learn he also has a Mightyboy.
> Oi! Nothing wrong with mighty boy's.
> I always wanted to have one with a blown big block in it, and make it
> centre steering so I could do the "Mighty boy" arm out the window
> thing on both sides without needing a passenger :)
I love mightyboys. In fact, with the top off, the Vitara looks exactly like
Now, you just get a lifter kit on the mightyboy, and you've got a vitara!
Don't try to reply to my email addy:
I'm borrowing that of the latest
From: Daryl Walford on 9 Jun 2007 09:39
> Slamming into the side of a train was certainly effective but didn't get the
> load to it's intended destination.
> Fuckwits shouldn't be on the road, fullstop. Truck driving is supposed to be
> a professional occupation after all...
Supposed to be but with current pay rates about half of what they
need to be to attract new people to the job nothing much is going
The average age for heavy vehicle drivers is quite high, AFAIK
its over 50, there is also a severe shortage of drivers so many
old blokes are being pushed too hard so its no wonder things go
Despite the problems on a per klm travelled basis heavy vehicles
are still the safest vehicles on the road although with the
current spate of bad accidents people could be forgiven for