From: Michael on 9 Jun 2007 10:50 Andy wrote: > Michael wrote: >> Noddy wrote: >>> "Arthur Brain" <arthur_brain1(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >>> >>>> - waste resources when rail can carry SOOOOOOO MUCH MORE, for a >>>> fraction of the effort. >>> >>> So, when you go to Big W to buy your new plasma screen so you can sit >>> around and watch Home & away, they give you a coupon to trot along to >>> your nearest rail freight depot to pick up your telly? >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Noddy. >>> >> How many Big W semi's do u see on the road mate, how many of these >> deliver to your door. >> Get a clue. >> Mick C > > > Whooosh! Bah semantics, now your turn to solve the problem, yea get the finger our of you bum. Mick C
From: Noddy on 9 Jun 2007 11:01 "Michael" <mickpc(a)bigpond.com> wrote in message news:65zai.11070$wH4.4481(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Ok I will really spell it out to. > From port (containerization)>warehouse(rail)>rail to local depot>by light > truck to store>from store to customer via light truck. > See any need for a semi? Nope, but I see ten times the number of vehicles on the road to move the *same* quantity of goods to the local store. How does that help? > What is needed to fill in the gaps is the proper used of logistics. > I didn't say it would be easy, but could you build a car easy? Depends on what car. > Australian cars are a hell of a lot better than they used to be. > We need to do this for the rail network, passenger as well. Don't hold your breath. Running rail track is probably as expensive as building road, and that's something like 2 million bucks per kilometer depending on the area. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: DJ on 9 Jun 2007 11:43 clockmeister wrote: > > Slamming into the side of a train was certainly effective but didn't get > the load to it's intended destination. > > Fuckwits shouldn't be on the road, fullstop. Truck driving is supposed to > be a professional occupation after all... > > One of the biggest problems is that there is a major shortage of drivers in the fastest growing industry in Australia and many companies will overlook discrepancies of driving records even though one of the major requirements is a current driving record from the relevent departments eg.RTA, and medicals. proving you have a HC or better still an MC licence, you are usually snapped up by an employer these days as nobody wants these jobs any longer due to the mad and confusing legislations and over zealous law enforcement officers wanting to UP his tally. Secondly, you have a very powerful retail sector as some of those have been mentioned here that are involved with retail and they want their stuff yesterday,not today, so therefore the rail is no where near efficient in many cases when you can have a B-double deliver goods to a wharehouse say from Syd- Melb or Syd- Bris and especially melb - Bris, as a train will usually take about 2-3 times longer to get to the destination.then it has to be sorted and distributed. Now given that about 95-99% of stuff you'll find in supermarkets,variety stores and dept stores are imported, as soon as the container is released from the wharves, it will go by truck and the trailers are generally unhitched and left at a customer's dock till it has been emptied then the trailer will be taken away again and taken to a container park to be de-hired or the container willl be taken to a transport wharehouse, will be hand or forklift unloaded, stored untill needed by customer then sent via curtainsider (tautliner) or other trailer types to be delivered to customer who in turn uses product themselves or distributes their own. A friend of mine who has his own shipping and frieght forwarding company in Sydney has told me that some customers are willing to pay up to $3k to have a 1 x 40' container brought up from Melb to Syd by truck rather than train due to the time it takes so they can keep their customer as sometimes the ship may not stop at Syd from the containers origin. So, yeah...when they say without trucks, Australia stops, it's not too far off the mark!! It's just the way it is and probably will be for a long time to come. DJ > > >
From: Kev on 9 Jun 2007 12:49 Noddy wrote: > "Arthur Brain" <arthur_brain1(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > > >>- waste resources when rail can carry SOOOOOOO MUCH MORE, for a >>fraction of the effort. > > > So, when you go to Big W to buy your new plasma screen so you can sit around > and watch Home & away, they give you a coupon to trot along to your nearest > rail freight depot to pick up your telly? > Idiot Noddy it's "they give you a coupon to trot along to your nearest rail freight depot to pick up your BROKEN telly that you ordered 4 months ago Kev
From: Kev on 9 Jun 2007 13:10
Michael wrote: > Ok I will really spell it out to. > From port (containerization)>warehouse(rail)>rail to local depot>by > light truck to store>from store to customer via light truck. > See any need for a semi? > What is needed to fill in the gaps is the proper used of logistics. > I didn't say it would be easy, but could you build a car easy? > Australian cars are a hell of a lot better than they used to be. > We need to do this for the rail network, passenger as well. > Mick C and this is where it falls in a big heap why run 30 small trucks when you can run 5 semis or 3 B/Doubles there is no way YOUR road network could sustain that number of small vehicles and the whole rail system is so inefficient because of all the double and triple handling, the extra cost of people employed to do all that handling and the cost of lost or damaged goods from all that extra handling and of course you have the "I Want It Now" from most of society you go to the department store to buy something you want it then, not 2 months later and broken and as it has been pointed out to you many times if rail is the answer, why is it that it's not Kev |