From: Phil Bradby on
....the ones on steep downhill runs.

Just curious - seems a bit unlikely to me that a few feet of sand could
stop a massive lorry hurtling down a 1 in 4. How often do they get used
in anger?
From: Mortimer on
"Phil Bradby" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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> ...the ones on steep downhill runs.
>
> Just curious - seems a bit unlikely to me that a few feet of sand could
> stop a massive lorry hurtling down a 1 in 4. How often do they get used
> in anger?

The sand is deep enough for the lorry to sink up to its axles (and maybe
beyond this), which apparently is enough to stop the lorry. I've seen
furrows in the escape lanes on the A169 Blue Bank (near Whitby) and on the
A44 Fish Hilll (near Broadway in the Cotswolds) which suggests that they do
get used from time to time.

From: Brimstone on
"Phil Bradby" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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> ...the ones on steep downhill runs.
>
> Just curious - seems a bit unlikely to me that a few feet of sand could
> stop a massive lorry hurtling down a 1 in 4. How often do they get used
> in anger?

There's one on the descent of Swainswick Hill, on the A46 towards Bath. I
passed just after a young chap with his mates in the car mistook it for the
road and the were scrabbling round trying to work out how to get the car out
which was up to its axles.

They work because the sand/gravel isn't a solid surface and any vibration
causes the material to move around making space for the wheels.

I'm sure one of the resident "experts" will be along to slag me off and
provide a more technical appraisal soon.


From: Phil Bradby on
Brimstone wrote:
> "Phil Bradby" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:hsrue0$g4m$1(a)speranza.aioe.org...
>> ...the ones on steep downhill runs.
>>
>> Just curious - seems a bit unlikely to me that a few feet of sand could
>> stop a massive lorry hurtling down a 1 in 4. How often do they get used
>> in anger?
>
> There's one on the descent of Swainswick Hill, on the A46 towards Bath.
> I passed just after a young chap with his mates in the car mistook it
> for the road and the were scrabbling round trying to work out how to get
> the car out which was up to its axles.
>
> They work because the sand/gravel isn't a solid surface and any
> vibration causes the material to move around making space for the
> wheels.
>
> I'm sure one of the resident "experts" will be along to slag me off and
> provide a more technical appraisal soon.

If they do work and they do stop such a heavy vehicle moving so quickly
in such a short space, how could the driver possibly survive the impact?
It must be like hitting a brick wall to stop dead in a few feet in those
conditions.
From: Brimstone on
"Phil Bradby" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Brimstone wrote:
>> "Phil Bradby" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:hsrue0$g4m$1(a)speranza.aioe.org...
>>> ...the ones on steep downhill runs.
>>>
>>> Just curious - seems a bit unlikely to me that a few feet of sand could
>>> stop a massive lorry hurtling down a 1 in 4. How often do they get used
>>> in anger?
>>
>> There's one on the descent of Swainswick Hill, on the A46 towards Bath.
>> I passed just after a young chap with his mates in the car mistook it
>> for the road and the were scrabbling round trying to work out how to get
>> the car out which was up to its axles.
>>
>> They work because the sand/gravel isn't a solid surface and any
>> vibration causes the material to move around making space for the
>> wheels.
>>
>> I'm sure one of the resident "experts" will be along to slag me off and
>> provide a more technical appraisal soon.
>
> If they do work and they do stop such a heavy vehicle moving so quickly
> in such a short space, how could the driver possibly survive the impact?
> It must be like hitting a brick wall to stop dead in a few feet in those
> conditions.

Whilst the rate of deceleration will very rapid, it won't be as quick as you
suggest. The driver will also have had time to brace himself.