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From: cuhulin on 28 Jul 2010 08:12
Someday, used electric cars for sale.New batteries? How much money for
that?
cuhulin

From: Scott Dorsey on 28 Jul 2010 09:20
Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4(a)snet.net> wrote:
>hls wrote:
>>
>> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message
>>
>> Vote on the CNN poll today...Is $41,000 a fair price for the Volt..
>
>Yes, it is when you look at what you actually get.

The problem is that the Volt isn't competing against simple electric
cars with limited range or with standard hybrids. The Volt is competing
against conventional internal combustion engine vehicles.

For $41k I can get an E-class Mercedes. Why should I buy the Volt instead?
If the Volt is more economical to operate, how many miles do I need to put
on it before it becomes a cost-savings over, say, a low-end C-class Mercedes?

Now, mind you, I expect that much of that $41k price has to do with amortizing
engineering costs and tooling and that it will drop considerably once people
start buying the cars, so it may not be all that fair a comparison.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Pete C. on 28 Jul 2010 09:20

hls wrote:
>
> "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4(a)snet.net> wrote in message
> news:4c4f8e56$0$11182$ec3e2dad(a)unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
> >
> > hls wrote:
> >>
> >> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Vote on the CNN poll today...Is $41,000 a fair price for the Volt..
> >
> > Yes, it is when you look at what you actually get.
>
> Evaluating what you get for the money, I wouldnt buy one of these.

No, your evaluating your perceived value for the money, not what you get
for the money. Whether the car is worth the $41,000 to you to be able to
say you drive an electric car, vs. $20,000 or so for an otherwise
comparable small car is your value judgment. If you buy one you will
indeed get $41,000 worth of electric motors, batteries, gas engine,
generator, controls, etc.
From: hls on 28 Jul 2010 11:28

"Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4(a)snet.net> wrote in message news:4c502f03$0
>> Evaluating what you get for the money, I wouldnt buy one of these.
>
> No, your evaluating your perceived value for the money, not what you get
> for the money. Whether the car is worth the $41,000 to you to be able to
> say you drive an electric car, vs. $20,000 or so for an otherwise
> comparable small car is your value judgment. If you buy one you will
> indeed get $41,000 worth of electric motors, batteries, gas engine,
> generator, controls, etc.

Those parts are not "worth" $41,000, I guess. If you bought them on the
open market in one off quantities you might well pay more than that, but if
you tried to part one out, you would get substantially less. You would pay
less than that if you bought in large quantities, as GM must do.

I do not perceive $41,000 in value for this thing, correct.
From: Pete C. on 28 Jul 2010 16:11

Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
> Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4(a)snet.net> wrote:
> >hls wrote:
> >>
> >> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Vote on the CNN poll today...Is $41,000 a fair price for the Volt..
> >
> >Yes, it is when you look at what you actually get.
>
> The problem is that the Volt isn't competing against simple electric
> cars with limited range or with standard hybrids. The Volt is competing
> against conventional internal combustion engine vehicles.
>
> For $41k I can get an E-class Mercedes. Why should I buy the Volt instead?
> If the Volt is more economical to operate, how many miles do I need to put
> on it before it becomes a cost-savings over, say, a low-end C-class Mercedes?

Three reasons to buy a Volt:

1. You ego directs you to be trendy and green and needs to show off an
electric car.

2. You have a source of low rate charging power, be it solar panels,
wind generator, off peak grid rates, or free charging at work, and your
normal weekly routine mostly fits within the Volt's EV range.

3. You've got the extra $ and are interested in tinkering with the new
technology without going all out and building an EV from a kit.
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