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From: necromancer on 10 Aug 2010 12:31
Heard a good one from the service advisor at the local Ford dealer who
has been trying to solve a mystery with one of my cars shutting off in
traffic: I was asking if maybe the car might have water in the gas
tank, and one of the things he mentioned is that with most all the
gasoline brand these days that when they put the ethanol in the gas
(and virtually *all* the gas stations sell gas with, "up to 10%
ethanol added") they actually mix the ethanol with *water* before
mising it with the gas.

Anyone else hear of such a thing?
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From: Matthew Russotto on 10 Aug 2010 20:59
In article <scv266p3sfnd0b7d1m0pma8tjleuspmrra(a)4ax.com>,
necromancer <newsgroup(a)newsgroup.com> wrote:
>
>
>traffic: I was asking if maybe the car might have water in the gas
>tank, and one of the things he mentioned is that with most all the
>gasoline brand these days that when they put the ethanol in the gas
>(and virtually *all* the gas stations sell gas with, "up to 10%
>ethanol added") they actually mix the ethanol with *water* before
>mising it with the gas.
>
>Anyone else hear of such a thing?

Sounds unlikely, and a bit of searching seems to indicate that the
ethanol added to gasoline is anhydrous ethanol. Anyway, if the
gasoline has ethanol in it, it would take a LOT of water in the
gasoline to get separated water in the tank.
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From: John David Galt on 10 Aug 2010 23:29
>> traffic: I was asking if maybe the car might have water in the gas
>> tank, and one of the things he mentioned is that with most all the
>> gasoline brand these days that when they put the ethanol in the gas
>> (and virtually *all* the gas stations sell gas with, "up to 10%
>> ethanol added") they actually mix the ethanol with *water* before
>> mising it with the gas.
>>
>> Anyone else hear of such a thing?

> Sounds unlikely, and a bit of searching seems to indicate that the
> ethanol added to gasoline is anhydrous ethanol. Anyway, if the
> gasoline has ethanol in it, it would take a LOT of water in the
> gasoline to get separated water in the tank.

Anhydrous ethanol is hygroscopic (absorbs water from the air) until it
reaches 5% water content. The only way to keep it purer than that is to
store it in an airtight container (and gasoline storage tanks are vented,
by federal law, to reduce explosion hazard).

This of course is not the same thing as deliberately adding water, but it
does mean there's always going to be some water in it.
From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 10 Aug 2010 23:59
"necromancer" <Zidane's_Last_Red_Card(a)worldofnecromancer_no_spam_no_way.org>
wrote in message news:scv266p3sfnd0b7d1m0pma8tjleuspmrra(a)4ax.com...
> Heard a good one from the service advisor at the local Ford dealer who
> has been trying to solve a mystery with one of my cars shutting off in
> traffic: I was asking if maybe the car might have water in the gas
> tank, and one of the things he mentioned is that with most all the
> gasoline brand these days that when they put the ethanol in the gas
> (and virtually *all* the gas stations sell gas with, "up to 10%
> ethanol added") they actually mix the ethanol with *water* before
> mising it with the gas.
>
> Anyone else hear of such a thing?

No, but the problem of the vehicle just shutting off in traffic is more than
likely a crank position sensor and/or cam position sensor problem. Any check
engine codes?

From: lil abner on 11 Aug 2010 00:11
John David Galt wrote:
>>> traffic: I was asking if maybe the car might have water in the gas
>>> tank, and one of the things he mentioned is that with most all the
>>> gasoline brand these days that when they put the ethanol in the gas
>>> (and virtually *all* the gas stations sell gas with, "up to 10%
>>> ethanol added") they actually mix the ethanol with *water* before
>>> mising it with the gas.
>>>
>>> Anyone else hear of such a thing?
>
>> Sounds unlikely, and a bit of searching seems to indicate that the
>> ethanol added to gasoline is anhydrous ethanol. Anyway, if the
>> gasoline has ethanol in it, it would take a LOT of water in the
>> gasoline to get separated water in the tank.
>
> Anhydrous ethanol is hygroscopic (absorbs water from the air) until it
> reaches 5% water content. The only way to keep it purer than that is to
> store it in an airtight container (and gasoline storage tanks are vented,
> by federal law, to reduce explosion hazard).
>
> This of course is not the same thing as deliberately adding water, but it
> does mean there's always going to be some water in it.
I had my tank changed by GM and the injectors changed one appointment at
a time ethanol/water gas was the culprit.
They were going to change them again when it was totaled. My wife's
little sport car has had two codes so far: ethanol/water/gas.
I've had to rebuild the carb on two mowers so far:ethanol/gas/water and
setting over winter.
Ethanol cost more, is less efficient, is responsible for more pollution,
and is destructive to engines and fuel systems. The lies by EPA and ADM
others of the Ethanol Corn Lobby etc are just like the idiocy by NHTSA
that large Pickups and autos were less safe than compact tin cans.
The lines of cars at dealer service centers, at particular seasons is a
testimony to the truth.
When they force E15 and E85 down our throats our cost to operate a
vehicle, down time,frustration and COSTS will skyrocket. Ethanol Corn
Lobby will make billions to invest in Swiss and Cayman Banks.
between those costs, black, boxes, chiropractors, for all the drivers,
of the new midgets seats and bend head rests, and taxes to subsidize the
Ethanol Corn industry it will force us onto bicycles which is their goal
anyway. The idiots are running the asylum of Washington.
It is clear that the People and the Republic are not being served.
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