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From: richard on 8 May 2010 03:24 On Fri, 7 May 2010 21:00:47 -0400, Nick Naim wrote: > 2 lanes each on all 4 sides. > With traffic lights each side. > A state with right turn on red. > --------------------------------- > When you make a left turn into 2 thru lanes on your left you should enter > and complete your turn in the left lane and not in the right lane right > away.Do not make a left into the right lane > Shortly there after you can move over into the right lane if clear of > traffic and you so desire. > Now here comes the hard part for drivers who have been driving for only 20 > years or so. > Now remember these young drivers are still learning the rules of the road. > When you are making that left.........REMEMBER THIS. > That vehicle accross the intersection from you in the right lane can turn > right on a red light. > At the same time you get a green left arrow on your side. > > > . Not exactly correct. RTOR means "after all other traffic has cleared the intersection". The ROW belongs to those turning left. So if you were the one turning right, and moved before the one turning left, you could get cited.
From: richard on 8 May 2010 13:37 On Fri, 7 May 2010 21:33:10 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: > On May 7, 6:00�pm, "Nick Naim" <orb...(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> 2 lanes each on all 4 sides. >> With traffic lights each side. >> A state with right turn on red. >> --------------------------------- >> When you make a left turn into 2 thru lanes on your left you should enter >> and complete your turn in the left lane and not in the right lane right >> away.Do not make a left into the right lane >> Shortly there after you can move over into the right lane if clear of >> traffic and you so desire. >> Now here comes �the hard part for drivers who have been driving for only 20 >> years or so. >> Now remember these young drivers are still learning the rules of the road. >> When you are making that left.........REMEMBER THIS. >> That vehicle accross the intersection from you in the right lane can turn >> right on a red light. >> At the same time you get a green left arrow on your side. >> >> . > > Hmmm...gotta brush up on the regs. I was taught that you turn into > the lane matching the one you are coming from..or the one that matches > it the closest. Of coruse that applied(s) where both lanes were > allowed to turn left. Where only the left lane can turn left, then > yes, into the left most lane. > > > Harry K I got properly scolded once when I was going to work for one trucking company. I was at a light with one left turn lane, one lane to go straight or right. The cross road had two lanes of traffic per direction. I made the turn moving directly into the right lane. "What you just did is illegal". Excuse me? As of when? As I have the ROW, I can move into either lane as desired. Besides, doing so prevents some jackass from thinking he's gonna pass me on the right because I'm taking too long. Since the point where I'm going to turn next is 300 feet up on my right, I can't wait to do things "by the book". If I did that, I'd miss my turn.
From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 8 May 2010 13:41 "Harry K" <turnkey4099(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cdf82d05-e566-4cc4-b85c-57b5d217b808(a)42g2000prb.googlegroups.com... On May 7, 6:00 pm, "Nick Naim" <orb...(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > 2 lanes each on all 4 sides. > With traffic lights each side. > A state with right turn on red. > --------------------------------- > When you make a left turn into 2 thru lanes on your left you should enter > and complete your turn in the left lane and not in the right lane right > away.Do not make a left into the right lane > Shortly there after you can move over into the right lane if clear of > traffic and you so desire. > Now here comes the hard part for drivers who have been driving for only 20 > years or so. > Now remember these young drivers are still learning the rules of the road. > When you are making that left.........REMEMBER THIS. > That vehicle accross the intersection from you in the right lane can turn > right on a red light. > At the same time you get a green left arrow on your side. > > . Hmmm...gotta brush up on the regs. I was taught that you turn into the lane matching the one you are coming from..or the one that matches it the closest. Of coruse that applied(s) where both lanes were allowed to turn left. Where only the left lane can turn left, then yes, into the left most lane. * This is true as far as I can find in the vehicle code. Still, the OP is referring to near-miss collisions where the left turning vehicle is completing the turn by crossing from the left lane into the right lane at or near the time the vehicle turning right on red is entering that same lane. Red arrow during the green arrow phase (i.e., traffic cannot turn right on red while the left turning traffic has the green arrow) seems to be a partial solution, assuming drivers would obey the red arrow, but then it would have to result in a signal configuration of red arrow, red light, yellow light, green light for right turning traffic which means right turning traffic would have to pay extra attention to whether they had the red light or red arrow.
From: Alexander Rogge on 17 May 2010 20:08
Nick Naim wrote: > 2 lanes each on all 4 sides. > With traffic lights each side. > A state with right turn on red. > --------------------------------- > When you make a left turn into 2 thru lanes on your left you should enter > and complete your turn in the left lane and not in the right lane right > away. You should turn into the lane that matches the lane from which you turned, and then move over to the right. I will not always do this at intersections controlled by traffic signals, because it is more efficient to drive into the right lane immediately after turning left, except when there are two left-turn lanes. In some examples, it is impractical to delay before entering the right lane, such as when I expect to make a right-turn very soon thereafter or if I am driving a large vehicle that requires a wider turning-radius. > That vehicle accross the intersection from you in the right lane can turn > right on a red light. No, not legally it can't. That would be running the red light, violating the right-of-way of the traffic with the green signal. Although there is no absolute requirement to turn into the left lane of the intersecting road when making a left-turn from a single turn-lane, there is an absolute requirement to stop for a red signal and yield to the traffic with the green signal, even where Right Turn On Red is permitted. |