RLC triggering on legal right on red
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From: Brent on 12 Jan 2010 00:18 http://blip.tv/file/3074925 in flv mode without their conversion issues, but lower res: http://blip.tv/file/3074925?filename=Tetraethyllead-LegalRightOnRedTriggersRLC119.flv Why I don't turn right on red at RLC intersections. The SUV driver makes a legal right on red and is now in the RLC's memory as a violator. Only human filtering (that may or may not be done) will prevent him from being ticketed.
From: richard on 12 Jan 2010 02:13 On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:18:46 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote: > http://blip.tv/file/3074925 > in flv mode without their conversion issues, but lower res: > http://blip.tv/file/3074925?filename=Tetraethyllead-LegalRightOnRedTriggersRLC119.flv > > > Why I don't turn right on red at RLC intersections. The SUV driver makes > a legal right on red and is now in the RLC's memory as a violator. Only > human filtering (that may or may not be done) will prevent him from > being ticketed. Then the RLC vendor has it set up wrong. What i think might have triggered it is the quick stop he made just after he started moving. Since the law requires a vehicle to stop a specified time before moving, then the RLC should take a series of shots for each vehicle. If the vehicle moves before the required time, he gets rewarded. To do the time lapse mode, you use motion video mode and set it to take still images at half second intervals. Now you have the proper evidence to show a violation occurred. If that were me getting cited, I'd fight it. Unless they can show evidence that I had not stopped properly, they lose. A single photo is not enough evidence.
From: Dave__67 on 12 Jan 2010 08:18 On Jan 12, 2:13 am, richard <mem...(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:18:46 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote: > >http://blip.tv/file/3074925 > > in flv mode without their conversion issues, but lower res: > >http://blip.tv/file/3074925?filename=Tetraethyllead-LegalRightOnRedTr.... > > > Why I don't turn right on red at RLC intersections. The SUV driver makes > > a legal right on red and is now in the RLC's memory as a violator. Only > > human filtering (that may or may not be done) will prevent him from > > being ticketed. > > Then the RLC vendor has it set up wrong. What i think might have triggered > it is the quick stop he made just after he started moving. > > Since the law requires a vehicle to stop a specified time before moving, > then the RLC should take a series of shots for each vehicle. If the vehicle > moves before the required time, he gets rewarded. > > To do the time lapse mode, you use motion video mode and set it to take > still images at half second intervals. Now you have the proper evidence to > show a violation occurred. > > If that were me getting cited, I'd fight it. Unless they can show evidence > that I had not stopped properly, they lose. A single photo is not enough > evidence. As far as the organization that's making money off the fines is concerned, it's set up *just right*. Dave
From: Brent on 12 Jan 2010 08:33 On 2010-01-12, richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > If that were me getting cited, I'd fight it. Unless they can show evidence > that I had not stopped properly, they lose. A single photo is not enough > evidence. Court isn't fair. Traffic court is less fair. Administrative court is a rubber stamp of guilty. RLC tickets go to administrative court. Expect to pay 2-3 times the fine (minimum) to appeal your way up to a court where a defense might actually get heard and the municipality show some real proof.
From: Harry K on 12 Jan 2010 09:37
On Jan 12, 5:33 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-01-12, richard <mem...(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > > > If that were me getting cited, I'd fight it. Unless they can show evidence > > that I had not stopped properly, they lose. A single photo is not enough > > evidence. > > Court isn't fair. Traffic court is less fair. Administrative court is a > rubber stamp of guilty. RLC tickets go to administrative court. Expect > to pay 2-3 times the fine (minimum) to appeal your way up to a court > where a defense might actually get heard and the municipality show some > real proof. And in Spokane, Wa where they started RLCs last year (could have been the year before) the citizens are attacking the program. Several hundred thousand dollars in fines have been issued and there have been no, as in zero, reductions in the number of accidents at those intersections. Harry K |