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From: John Tserkezis on 16 Jul 2010 06:27
George W Frost wrote:

>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> This message in the subject line appears on RTA electronic signs from
>>> time to time.
>>>
>>> I've had a recent discussion with the RTA over whether that message
>>> would encourage drivers caught in traffic jams to call to report an
>>> incident even though doing so is unlawful when it involves the use of a
>>> hand-held mobile phone.
>>>
>>> The RTA's response has been that passengers might make the call, or that
>>> drivers sometimes pull-over and make a call.
>>>
>>> Which is true, but to my mind rather misses the point.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.

>> So it is legal to use a phone while stopped on the side of the road but
>> not while stopped in a lane?
>> They should put up an email address as it isn't illegal to send an email
>> from your phone while driving

> It is illegal to use a mobile phone while driving and also while stopped on
> the side of the road,
> to use the phone legally, you have to be parked with the engine off
> preferably, of coarse, that all depends on the copper who books you

More so, and just to prove the RTA doesn't actually get out onto the
roads they supposedly manage.

If you've ever actually stood on a road where these signs exist, by far
the vast majority of cars have only one occupant:

The driver, with a phone glued do their heads telling their loved ones
they're stuck in a jam and going to be late. Again.
From: F Murtz on 16 Jul 2010 08:45
Sylvia Else wrote:
> This message in the subject line appears on RTA electronic signs from
> time to time.
>
> I've had a recent discussion with the RTA over whether that message
> would encourage drivers caught in traffic jams to call to report an
> incident even though doing so is unlawful when it involves the use of a
> hand-held mobile phone.
>
> The RTA's response has been that passengers might make the call, or that
> drivers sometimes pull-over and make a call.
>
> Which is true, but to my mind rather misses the point.
>
> Sylvia.
Just a hypothetical, I have seen something which is a device that looks
like an old phone hand piece which is called hands free,it plugs into
your phone,You do not have to touch the actual phone to use it, what
would mr policeman make of this?
From: Sylvia Else on 16 Jul 2010 09:30
On 16/07/2010 12:54 PM, ^Tems^ wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> This message in the subject line appears on RTA electronic signs from
>> time to time.
>>
>> I've had a recent discussion with the RTA over whether that message
>> would encourage drivers caught in traffic jams to call to report an
>> incident even though doing so is unlawful when it involves the use of a
>> hand-held mobile phone.
>>
>> The RTA's response has been that passengers might make the call, or that
>> drivers sometimes pull-over and make a call.
>>
>> Which is true, but to my mind rather misses the point.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> So it is legal to use a phone while stopped on the side of the road but
> not while stopped in a lane?
>
> They should put up an email address as it isn't illegal to send an email
> from your phone while driving

It is illegal to send an email from your mobile phone while driving if
you hold the phone in your hand while doing so. Nothing in the law
limits "use" to audio communication. Indeed, just turning the phone
*off* counts as use, so if you're driving along, trying to be a law
abiding citizen and your mobile phone annoys you by repeatedly ringing,
don't make the mistake of turning it off without pulling over and
parking first.

Sylvia.
From: Sylvia Else on 16 Jul 2010 09:31
On 16/07/2010 1:29 PM, George W Frost wrote:
> "^Tems^"<stevebrooks13(a)live.com> wrote in message
> news:4c3fc9f7$0$10174$c30e37c6(a)pit-reader.telstra.net...
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> This message in the subject line appears on RTA electronic signs from
>>> time to time.
>>>
>>> I've had a recent discussion with the RTA over whether that message
>>> would encourage drivers caught in traffic jams to call to report an
>>> incident even though doing so is unlawful when it involves the use of a
>>> hand-held mobile phone.
>>>
>>> The RTA's response has been that passengers might make the call, or that
>>> drivers sometimes pull-over and make a call.
>>>
>>> Which is true, but to my mind rather misses the point.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> So it is legal to use a phone while stopped on the side of the road but
>> not while stopped in a lane?
>>
>> They should put up an email address as it isn't illegal to send an email
>> from your phone while driving
>
> It is illegal to use a mobile phone while driving and also while stopped on
> the side of the road,
> to use the phone legally, you have to be parked with the engine off
> preferably, of coarse, that all depends on the copper who books you
>
>

Whether the engine has to be off seems highly debatable. You have to be
parked, but I can't see that anything stops you being parked with the
engine on.

Sylvia.
From: George W Frost on 16 Jul 2010 17:32

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8ab596Fvi3U2(a)mid.individual.net...
> On 16/07/2010 1:29 PM, George W Frost wrote:
>> "^Tems^"<stevebrooks13(a)live.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c3fc9f7$0$10174$c30e37c6(a)pit-reader.telstra.net...
>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> This message in the subject line appears on RTA electronic signs from
>>>> time to time.
>>>>
>>>> I've had a recent discussion with the RTA over whether that message
>>>> would encourage drivers caught in traffic jams to call to report an
>>>> incident even though doing so is unlawful when it involves the use of a
>>>> hand-held mobile phone.
>>>>
>>>> The RTA's response has been that passengers might make the call, or
>>>> that
>>>> drivers sometimes pull-over and make a call.
>>>>
>>>> Which is true, but to my mind rather misses the point.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> So it is legal to use a phone while stopped on the side of the road but
>>> not while stopped in a lane?
>>>
>>> They should put up an email address as it isn't illegal to send an email
>>> from your phone while driving
>>
>> It is illegal to use a mobile phone while driving and also while stopped
>> on
>> the side of the road,
>> to use the phone legally, you have to be parked with the engine off
>> preferably, of coarse, that all depends on the copper who books you
>>
>>
>
> Whether the engine has to be off seems highly debatable. You have to be
> parked, but I can't see that anything stops you being parked with the
> engine on.
>
> Sylvia.

As I said, it all depends on the frame of mind of the copper who may or may
not book you
it is to his discretion


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