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From: Jeff Strickland on 5 May 2010 15:00 "Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message news:hrqjpn$835$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 2010-05-04 18:17:51 -0700, Phlip <phlip2005(a)gmail.com> said: > >> On May 4, 4:45 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Do I feel guilty? >>> >>> No, I do not. >>> >>> Without regard to any other energy source, America needs oil. >> >> Witness how emasculated the addict feels if he thinks his source is >> threatened. > > Seriously. > > Imagine, for example, a real estate business completely reliant on > gasoline to shuttle clients and personnel around to sites for sale. > > Talk about addicts. > Or a person that performs services in your home and relies on gasoline to make a living. Addicts. Sheesh!
From: Jeff Strickland on 5 May 2010 15:18 "Phlip" <phlip2005(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:9a2dd912-ec88-4814-ad82-b78cb10edc51(a)6g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On May 4, 7:05 pm, Conscience <nobama@g�v.com> wrote: > On 2010-05-04 18:17:51 -0700, Phlip <phlip2...(a)gmail.com> said: > > > On May 4, 4:45 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Do I feel guilty? > > >> No, I do not. > > >> Without regard to any other energy source, America needs oil. > > > Witness how emasculated the addict feels if he thinks his source is > > threatened. > > Seriously. > > Imagine, for example, a real estate business completely reliant on > gasoline to shuttle clients and personnel around to sites for sale. > > Talk about addicts. That's a "special cause" situation. For "common cause" situations, we will have efficient mass transit. Like Europe & other non-failed nations have. That frees up resources for those who actually need it for their jobs. You know - that "invisible hand of the marketplace" thing again! <JS> Okay, let's explore mass transit for a moment. What comes first, the chicken or the egg? I live outside of Los Angeles, and our commuter rail service is callec MetroLink. MetroLink does okay, barely. It is not a great service by any stretch of the imagination, and it has been in service for something like 15 years. The cars are packed, but not enough to make a new train, and they don't even add new cars to the existing trains very often. The trains do not run either inbound or outbound on a schedule that lets the riders select a train that is convenient. If you miss the train, odds are very good that there will not be another train for hours on most lines. the inbound schedule in the morning starts too early for most people to get to work when work starts, so riders have to mill around doing nothing for an hour or more. If they miss that train, they might get the next one in an hour or more and get to work exactly on time, but that train is even more crowded than the others. And if you rely on catching that train and don't make it, there is not another one for many hours, so you have to drive to work that day. If you miss the evening train, there is no other. MetroLink officials do not make more trains because there are not more riders, and there are not more riders because they don't put more trains on the tracks. What comes first, the chicken or the egg? I speak from experience, I rode MetroLink for many years when I commuted 75 miles to work. the train service does not run on weekends on a schedule that riders might enjoy. There is an inbound train at 7:00 and an outbound train at 7:00. They pass each other at the mid-point of the route. The reverse trains run at 5:00. So, if you want to use the commuter trains on the weekend, you will be stuck at one end of the line or the other for at least 8 hours. If you only have business at whichever end of the line you are on that lasts 3 hours, then you have a 5 hour wait for the train. Nobody is gonna put up with that. And, train service only works for office workers or staff that goes in and gets a company vehicle to use as their office for the day. We can put passenger cars and light trucks on natural gas faster and more cheaply than we can get more rail service going. But all of this is beside the point of feeling bad about the oil spill. Energy is what makes the world go 'round. We can tap our own energy or we can buy energy from people that have more than they will ever use. Should we work towards other energies? Certainly. Should we find more efficient ways to use energy? Absolutely. But we can't simply stop using energy. That's impossible. </JS>
From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises on 5 May 2010 15:37 On May 5, 3:18 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > "Phlip" <phlip2...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:9a2dd912-ec88-4814-ad82-b78cb10edc51(a)6g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On May 4, 7:05 pm, Conscience <nobama@göv.com> wrote: > > > > > On 2010-05-04 18:17:51 -0700, Phlip <phlip2...(a)gmail.com> said: > > > > On May 4, 4:45 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> Do I feel guilty? > > > >> No, I do not. > > > >> Without regard to any other energy source, America needs oil. > > > > Witness how emasculated the addict feels if he thinks his source is > > > threatened. > > > Seriously. > > > Imagine, for example, a real estate business completely reliant on > > gasoline to shuttle clients and personnel around to sites for sale. > > > Talk about addicts. > > That's a "special cause" situation. For "common cause" situations, we > will have efficient mass transit. Like Europe & other non-failed > nations have. That frees up resources for those who actually need it > for their jobs. You know - that "invisible hand of the marketplace" > thing again! > > <JS> > > Okay, let's explore mass transit for a moment. > > What comes first, the chicken or the egg? > > I live outside of Los Angeles, and our commuter rail service is callec > MetroLink. MetroLink does okay, barely. It is not a great service by any > stretch of the imagination, and it has been in service for something like 15 > years. > > The cars are packed, but not enough to make a new train, and they don't even > add new cars to the existing trains very often. The trains do not run either > inbound or outbound on a schedule that lets the riders select a train that > is convenient. If you miss the train, odds are very good that there will not > be another train for hours on most lines. the inbound schedule in the > morning starts too early for most people to get to work when work starts, so > riders have to mill around doing nothing for an hour or more. If they miss > that train, they might get the next one in an hour or more and get to work > exactly on time, but that train is even more crowded than the others. And if > you rely on catching that train and don't make it, there is not another one > for many hours, so you have to drive to work that day. If you miss the > evening train, there is no other. > > MetroLink officials do not make more trains because there are not more > riders, and there are not more riders because they don't put more trains on > the tracks. What comes first, the chicken or the egg? > > I speak from experience, I rode MetroLink for many years when I commuted 75 > miles to work. the train service does not run on weekends on a schedule that > riders might enjoy. There is an inbound train at 7:00 and an outbound train > at 7:00. They pass each other at the mid-point of the route. The reverse > trains run at 5:00. So, if you want to use the commuter trains on the > weekend, you will be stuck at one end of the line or the other for at least > 8 hours. If you only have business at whichever end of the line you are on > that lasts 3 hours, then you have a 5 hour wait for the train. Nobody is > gonna put up with that. > > And, train service only works for office workers or staff that goes in and > gets a company vehicle to use as their office for the day. > > We can put passenger cars and light trucks on natural gas faster and more > cheaply than we can get more rail service going. > > But all of this is beside the point of feeling bad about the oil spill. > Energy is what makes the world go 'round. We can tap our own energy or we > can buy energy from people that have more than they will ever use. > > Should we work towards other energies? Certainly. Should we find more > efficient ways to use energy? Absolutely. > > But we can't simply stop using energy. That's impossible. > > </JS> That's true. Public transportation is a PS here too. But we can ride bike somewhere, at least to the supermarket. Can't we? How about this campaign: BUY LOCALLY, BIKE LOCALLY.
From: 5440 Dead, 573 since 1/20/09 on 5 May 2010 15:51 On Wed, 5 May 2010 12:00:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >"Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message >news:hrqjpn$835$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> On 2010-05-04 18:17:51 -0700, Phlip <phlip2005(a)gmail.com> said: >> >>> On May 4, 4:45 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Do I feel guilty? >>>> >>>> No, I do not. >>>> >>>> Without regard to any other energy source, America needs oil. >>> >>> Witness how emasculated the addict feels if he thinks his source is >>> threatened. >> >> Seriously. >> >> Imagine, for example, a real estate business completely reliant on >> gasoline to shuttle clients and personnel around to sites for sale. >> >> Talk about addicts. >> > > >Or a person that performs services in your home and relies on gasoline to >make a living. > >Addicts. Sheesh! Addicts in denial. Oil is a finite resource. > > > > > > >
From: Jeff Strickland on 5 May 2010 18:30
"5440 Dead, 573 since 1/20/09" <zeppp(a)finestplanet.com> wrote in message news:i1j3u5p24l28lbq70sns2dk1an2dbbs14f(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 5 May 2010 12:00:41 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" > <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>"Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message >>news:hrqjpn$835$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> On 2010-05-04 18:17:51 -0700, Phlip <phlip2005(a)gmail.com> said: >>> >>>> On May 4, 4:45 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Do I feel guilty? >>>>> >>>>> No, I do not. >>>>> >>>>> Without regard to any other energy source, America needs oil. >>>> >>>> Witness how emasculated the addict feels if he thinks his source is >>>> threatened. >>> >>> Seriously. >>> >>> Imagine, for example, a real estate business completely reliant on >>> gasoline to shuttle clients and personnel around to sites for sale. >>> >>> Talk about addicts. >>> >> >> >>Or a person that performs services in your home and relies on gasoline to >>make a living. >> >>Addicts. Sheesh! > > Addicts in denial. Oil is a finite resource. Lots of stuff is finite, it diesn't make me feel guilty. |