Fines for red light jumping and other offences
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From: Tony Raven on 31 Jul 2010 06:24 Derek C wrote: > > Yuk! 'After you'. 'No after you'. Crunch! > They manage it on the Continent and they manage it in the US (the ubiquitous "four-way junction"). So are you telling me British drivers are too aggressive or bad to be able to manage one without crashing? -- Tony " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." Bertrand Russell
From: Derek C on 31 Jul 2010 06:29 On Jul 31, 11:24 am, Tony Raven <tra...(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote: > Derek C wrote: > > > Yuk! 'After you'. 'No after you'. Crunch! > > They manage it on the Continent and they manage it in the US (the > ubiquitous "four-way junction"). So are you telling me British drivers > are too aggressive or bad to be able to manage one without crashing? > > -- > Tony > They normally collide because they are too polite! Perhaps they need to be more 'assertive' like the URCM cyclists!
From: Steve Firth on 31 Jul 2010 07:40 Tony Raven <traven(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote: > Richard Hodgson, 53, of Maldon Road, Brighton, was found guilty of > ignoring a red traffic light, cycling without lights, cycling on the > pavement and failing to stop for police. > > Brighton magistrates fined him �700 and ordered him to pay �215 in costs. Do you seriously think that a driver who commited those offences in a car would face a lesser penalty? For just one of those offences I can see reports of motorists being fined at the same level *and* given seven points on their driving licence. In this example the driver was given a custodial sentence: http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Moment-man-drove-police/artic le-348917-detail/article.html If you look here, you will see that cycling offences all carry a lesser penalty than the equivalent driving offence: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069870 Not that I expect the lunatic, whining cycling fringe that you represent to admit that they are talking out of their arses. I also note that when a motorist commits an offence the balance of opinion among other motorists tends towards "the plonker got what he deserved", whereas the psycholists all club together and whine that a motorist would have got off without penalty, which is the sort of lie that the psycholists like to repeat.
From: Matt B on 31 Jul 2010 07:52 On 31/07/2010 10:38, Derek C wrote: > On Jul 31, 10:28 am, Ian Jackson > <ianREMOVETHISjack...(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> In message<8bi4rrFhb...(a)mid.individual.net>, Matt B >> <matt.bou...(a)nospam.london.com> writes >>> On 31/07/2010 09:00, Derek C wrote: >> >>>> If you didn't >>>> have traffic lights, you might find it difficult to enter a main road >>>> from a minor one with give way signs at busy times of day. >> >>> What if you didn't have give-way limes or signs either, and there was >>> no defined priority - just an imaginatively cobbled or garishly painted >>> free-for-all zone in the middle? This is the case when traffic lights >>> break down (except for the cobbled or painted bit!), and in such >>> circumstances the junctions generally flow more efficiently. >> >> Apart from the bit about 'no defined priority', you are well on the way >> to inventing the (mini) roundabout! > > Yuk! 'After you'. 'No after you'. Crunch! Have you ever watched the classic Martin Cassini short documentary video on traffic lights? It's over 8 minutes long, but every second is worth watching! <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YV3Cru7aE> -- Matt B
From: Mr. Benn on 31 Jul 2010 08:05
"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1jmhu6a.1oy7cp91fcdveoN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk... > Tony Raven <traven(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote: > >> Richard Hodgson, 53, of Maldon Road, Brighton, was found guilty of >> ignoring a red traffic light, cycling without lights, cycling on the >> pavement and failing to stop for police. >> >> Brighton magistrates fined him �700 and ordered him to pay �215 in costs. > > Do you seriously think that a driver who commited those offences in a > car would face a lesser penalty? > > For just one of those offences I can see reports of motorists being > fined at the same level *and* given seven points on their driving > licence. > > In this example the driver was given a custodial sentence: > > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Moment-man-drove-police/artic > le-348917-detail/article.html > > If you look here, you will see that cycling offences all carry a lesser > penalty than the equivalent driving offence: > > http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069870 > > Not that I expect the lunatic, whining cycling fringe that you represent > to admit that they are talking out of their arses. > > I also note that when a motorist commits an offence the balance of > opinion among other motorists tends towards "the plonker got what he > deserved", whereas the psycholists all club together and whine that a > motorist would have got off without penalty, which is the sort of lie > that the psycholists like to repeat. That's because motorists are individuals. Psycholists are members of a tribe. |