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From: Brent on 13 Jul 2010 18:40 On 2010-07-13, erschroedinger(a)gmail.com <erschroedinger(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I bet if you ask 100 Americans to name the top 5 cars in quality, > engineering, and performance, Mercedes, Porsche, and BMW would be 3 of > them. I doubt it. It also depends on what you consider quality. Mercedes vehicles tend to live a long time but Porsche's and BMW's tend to vanish from the road. My guess is too many expensive (but probably not major) things going wrong so they end up garaged and little used I'm guessing from my own looking into them. Exception being the 'budget' porsches of the 1980s. Of course porsche purists seem to hate those... but they deserve credit because of the large numbers that are still seemingly people's daily drivers or close to it.
From: Bjorn on 14 Jul 2010 07:56 On Jul 13, 10:40 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-07-13, erschroedin...(a)gmail.com <erschroedin...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I bet if you ask 100 Americans to name the top 5 cars in quality, > > engineering, and performance, Mercedes, Porsche, and BMW would be 3 of > > them. > > I doubt it. It also depends on what you consider quality. Mercedes > vehicles tend to live a long time but Porsche's and BMW's tend to vanish > from the road. My guess is too many expensive (but probably not > major) things going wrong so they end up garaged and little used I'm > guessing from my own looking into them. Exception being the 'budget' > porsches of the 1980s. Of course porsche purists seem > to hate those... but they deserve credit because of the large > numbers that are still seemingly people's daily drivers or close to it. In Europe Mercedes and Volvo are popular as taxis because they are cheap to maintain and last long. Saab, BMW etc are very good for a few months and then become expensive to keep. Unfortunately most car manufacturers have been systematically making cars that are made up of cheap material so they become too costly to keep after 5 to 10 years. This trend may change now if the customers begin look at resale value and total cost of ownership. Quality may come back in fashion. Electrical cars with only handful of moving parts and close to zero maintenance costs will grow in popularity. Overpriced GM junk is in rapid decline.
From: Brent on 14 Jul 2010 09:06 On 2010-07-14, Bjorn <gosinn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 10:40�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-07-13, erschroedin...(a)gmail.com <erschroedin...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > I bet if you ask 100 Americans to name the top 5 cars in quality, >> > engineering, and performance, Mercedes, Porsche, and BMW would be 3 of >> > them. >> >> I doubt it. It also depends on what you consider quality. Mercedes >> vehicles tend to live a long time but Porsche's and BMW's tend to vanish >> from the road. My guess is too many expensive (but probably not >> major) things going wrong so they end up garaged and little used I'm >> guessing from my own looking into them. Exception being the 'budget' >> porsches of the 1980s. Of course porsche purists seem >> to hate those... but they deserve credit because of the large >> numbers that are still seemingly people's daily drivers or close to it. > In Europe Mercedes and Volvo are popular as taxis because they are > cheap to maintain and last long. But not so cheap in the US. > Saab, BMW etc are very good for a few months and then become expensive > to keep. > > Unfortunately most car manufacturers have been systematically making > cars that are made up of cheap material so they become too costly to > keep after 5 to 10 years. Not really. > This trend may change now if the customers begin look at resale value > and total cost of ownership. > Quality may come back in fashion. I doubt the idea of driving a new car every couple of years will ever go away from most of those who practice it. They might get stuck at some point but it will be with whatever car they happen to have at the time. > Electrical cars with only handful of moving parts and close to zero > maintenance costs will grow in popularity. batteries will continue to limit the reach of electrics until such time that there is a signficant breakthrough. My guess is that the breakthrough won't be batteries at all, but some sort of onboard power generation from a fuel or as they called it many decades ago pulling power from the 'ether'.
From: Clive on 14 Jul 2010 09:29 In message <i1kcoi$dtk$3(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> writes >. My guess is that the >breakthrough won't be batteries at all, but some sort of onboard power >generation from a fuel or as they called it many decades ago pulling >power from the 'ether'. If the Auto manufacturers can pull energy from fresh air, expect the Governments to tax it. -- Clive
From: Brent on 14 Jul 2010 09:33
On 2010-07-14, Clive <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message <i1kcoi$dtk$3(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Brent ><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> writes >>. My guess is that the >>breakthrough won't be batteries at all, but some sort of onboard power >>generation from a fuel or as they called it many decades ago pulling >>power from the 'ether'. > If the Auto manufacturers can pull energy from fresh air, expect the > Governments to tax it. 'national security', we will likely not see it. |